Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Pizza, since when were you so into pop chess?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, since when were you so into pop chess?

I can't sleep due to the daily nightmares in the news, so I throw on chess videos and it gets my mind off of real life and onto something abstract. It also involves listening to a lot of people talk for hours on end, and when you're tired but can't sleep, a droning lecture can do the trick. It becomes hypnotic.

As a result, I've watched every single Finegold video, every Suren video, every Agadamator video, every MatoJelic video. I've also watched videos by Yasser Seirawan (NyQuil incarnate) and Jonathan Schrantz, and some other major chess channels.

I highly recommend MatoJelic. Especially his videos from about a year ago. That was his zone.

[Choxorn]

I think if GH flips scum then it confirms a few of Pizza's musings, it helps lock DP and Winston and looks fairly good for Fred off his exchange with GH (see Part IIB above).

Winston is confirmed town, by virtue of being dead and confirmed town by the host.

[Montmorency]

Winston is confirmed town, by virtue of being dead and confirmed town by the host.

I ran past the deadline making up the post, in case it wasn't clear.

[El Barto]

Walking into the worst joke ever. No one makes fun of the French except me, but in your defense, that's a far too advanced variation for you.

Oh no, you don't have a monopoly on the French even if they gave you letters of marque.

I hear Nigel Short wrote a book, that one might be more your speed, know what I'm sayin'. It's got 15 pages, and most of that is the notes section at the end of the book.

Translation.

I tried catching up with the last 2 days ish and then I saw people voting me so I just came to check if I was lynched and guys look I wasn't.

Logic scum?

OPkie.wrpifjowigj.

FishFingerOfSuspicion: Manasi

[Montmorency]

I ran past the deadline making up the post, in case it wasn't clear.

@Askthepizzaguy

This is why I don't want to rationally break down and compare Zack between those games. Someone else needs to step up for that to happen.

Skimming through the other game just to read Zack's posts D1 with fresh eyes took 30 minutes.

ISOing GH this D1 took me 3 hours.

Zack? We have a long day phase, but it's not gonna happen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's got enough variance within his play where I don't know how conclusive it would be anyway, and worse, who is gonna read it.

If it might not be right by a big degree and it's not gonna convince anyone anyway, then your efforts are better directed elsewhere.

Take a look at Fred, take a look at reinoe. I claim these two people belong in the town, and if that's wrong, I need someone better than me to explain why.

Those people either don't have much org meta or don't have infinity posts to analyze or both, and I think they might actually be alignment readable.

For Zack, he's got a profile that looks really townie at first glance, and he managed to wriggle into most people's town lists. Once there, he began acting like a classic Zackthescumbag, and it might not be a coincidence, maybe that's alignment related.

What I can say is that you'd be forgiven at this point for not knowing how to alignment read him. Other people, however, have a game that isn't so wildly up and down with confusing positives and negatives. Some folks here did some seriously good play yesterday and I just wanna know if those people are town.

We find enough townies and it doesn't matter if Zack ever gets iso'ed. I don't care about that.

And in the meantime, if he or GH or anyone who is a fundamentally good solver but looks kinda iffy has a good idea that solves the game, they can do that. Maybe it'll take them flipping town to persuade people, but I'd like to think I'm open minded enough to give it a good look before then.

They got a minimum of 3 days to wow us. In the meantime I'm more concerned with town-building that finding the exact correct person to lynch today. I just want to know who belongs in my town and who I can't safely let pass.

[Zack]

Winston is confirmed town, by virtue of being dead and confirmed town by the host.

This is choxorn's only post so far.

This is what he found important to point out.

[Dp101]

This is choxorn's only post so far.

This is what he found important to point out.

I feel really weird agreeing with you, but yeah, somehow, he managed to have a weaker post than Manasi, who completely misunderstood EoD.

[Zack]

I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who is even that wolfy right now, other than Barto and Choxorn. Maybe Monty or DP for what I still think were red flag EODs. Someone should take a closer look at the wagons.

I'm in an offsite game that starts tomorrow and will be much more active than this one, and Shadow of War comes out on Tuesday. Things seem to be well in hand anyways, don't need me much.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kagemusha
dp101
Slaan
Fredwood

Before I continue (It's 5am and I'm apparently not sleeping on a school day, so forgive my lack of work so far) the poll question to all remains as such:

Does anyone think any of the above names do not belong as town reads, and why.

Particularly if you suspected them yesterday I'd like to hear your reason for still suspecting them, or if you've changed your mind.

A couple people answered but I have not gotten feedback from everyone. All opinions wanted.

[Zack]

Kagemusha
dp101
Slaan
Fredwood

Before I continue (It's 5am and I'm apparently not sleeping on a school day, so forgive my lack of work so far) the poll question to all remains as such:

Does anyone think any of the above names do not belong as town reads, and why.

Particularly if you suspected them yesterday I'd like to hear your reason for still suspecting them, or if you've changed your mind.

A couple people answered but I have not gotten feedback from everyone. All opinions wanted.

I still think dp had a pretty weird eod

other three are fine, not interested in lynching there anytime soon

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still think dp had a pretty weird eod

other three are fine, not interested in lynching there anytime soon

Are those other three fine enough to be lock for you? Is anyone lock town other than the dead Winston?

[Zack]

Are those other three fine enough to be lock for you? Is anyone lock town other than the dead Winston?

lock is really a term I reserve for someone who is mechanically confirmed town

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really posted too soon. An even more relevant question is, can you name someone else besides those names that belongs in the town more than they do. Did you see anything I didn't see.

[Askthepizzaguy]

lock is really a term I reserve for someone who is mechanically confirmed town

Differences in terminology aside.

Who would you think it would be a big huge mistake to lynch?

[Zack]

Once there, he began acting like a classic Zackthescumbag

This is not true.

I've made an effort to play differently recently anyways, this game included, so it's a moot point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is not true.

I've made an effort to play differently recently anyways, this game included, so it's a moot point.

I'm keeping an open mind.

In case I'm wrong about what I find suspicious mode helps me to not tunnel. As mentioned, no one was anywhere near as close to confirmed scum yesterday for me than Logic, who was just obvious to me, less obvious to those who don't know his meta.

[Zack]

I really posted too soon. An even more relevant question is, can you name someone else besides those names that belongs in the town more than they do. Did you see anything I didn't see.

Yes. It's not something I feel comfortable or is good play to reveal yet.

Differences in terminology aside.

Who would you think it would be a big huge mistake to lynch?

1. GH
4. Pizza
8. Zack
11. Slaan
17. Kagemusha

There are more people I don't think are close to being the best lynch choice, but not necessarily a "big huge mistake".

[Montmorency]

Yes. It's not something I feel comfortable or is good play to reveal yet.


1. GH
4. Pizza
8. Zack
11. Slaan
17. Kagemusha

There are more people I don't think are close to being the best lynch choice, but not necessarily a "big huge mistake".

Why GH?

Zack, yesterday in EOD I had 5 posts. What did you dislike about my EOD?

And DP had about a dozen posts, the first 3 of them defending you to Pizza and the rest reacting to the CFD stuff.

I don't think you ever townread me, but this is a quite a heel turn for an EOD moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Monty can you respond briefly to 1271.

You might have laid out your leans in another post that might answer that for me, but I don't feel like going digging just now. It's something you could answer me off the cuff.

[Zack]

Why GH?

Zack, yesterday in EOD I had 5 posts. What did you dislike about my EOD?

And DP had about a dozen posts, the first 3 of them defending you to Pizza and the rest reacting to the CFD stuff.

I don't think you ever townread me, but this is a quite a heel turn for an EOD moment.

I have either already explained any answer to the questions you're asking, or don't think it's prudent to answer.

[Montmorency]

Monty can you respond briefly to 1271.

You might have laid out your leans in another post that might answer that for me, but I don't feel like going digging just now. It's something you could answer me off the cuff.

I quibbled about "lock" town, but I'm not willing to lynch (as of now):

Pizza
DP
Kage
Slaan
Fred

And I don't want to lynch Csargo, even if he isn't in the same category.

[Zack]

Monty, how much was your heart in the choxorn push?

[Montmorency]

Monty, how much was your heart in the choxorn push?

Just enough to make a point.

[Zack]

What point was that?

[Montmorency]

What point was that?

That Choxorn was better for lynch than Manasi or Barto.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I quibbled about "lock" town, but I'm not willing to lynch (as of now):

Pizza
DP
Kage
Slaan
Fred

And I don't want to lynch Csargo, even if he isn't in the same category.

Thanks.

Yeah Csargo feels pretty okay to me by this point. I don't know if I'd call it a town read because I haven't read him a second time, but the opening iffy-ness has lessened.

[Zack]

That Choxorn was better for lynch than Manasi or Barto.

what about logic?

do you still think wrt chox/manasi/barto?

[Montmorency]

what about logic?

do you still think wrt chox/manasi/barto?

I wasn't directly challenging the Logic wagon.

Like a stone wall - nothing has changed, relatively speaking. If they were the last non-clear players, I would still lynch Choxorn first.