Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Will someone please iso Monty and tell me if I should still have him in my town.

He's really in my blind spot, and I can't keep re-reading this game. I haven't slept at all today, because this game is stressing me the out.

I'm in the middle of it and I'm pretty much where I was before, he kind of feels villa but has nothing that means he can't be bad and a few things that mean he could.

I keep coming back to Slaan's placement of him. If Town Slaan is expanding POE in order to make sure he's not getting blindsided, there's nothing in Monty's Day 1 to lock clear him and I certainly don't see anything that means he couldn't be partners with Zack.

However there is some concern
#98 #170 is some suss on Zack. Accuses him of buddying DP, and also calls Zack for saying one thing but doing another.

#153 Votes Zack, but not in fully in a suss tone kind of egging him and Winston on. So again looks good, but not as good as it could be

#830 looks both bad and good at the same time, it's a hard suss backed up by a case, but he backs of and leaves it for later. The game state means it makes sense as either alignment, at least to me.

#808 Looks interesting in retrospect, not really sure what to do with it.

#919 Unvotes Zack and then votes Chox. Nothing really important here I guess other then he's the first to vote Chox I think, I can't tell, but he said himself he initiated the Chox wagon later. Also, wouldn't push Zack against Logic but willing to push Chox against the Logic.

#1017. Looks the worst from day one in retrospect. I think you called Slaan or Logic out for the tying the wagon stuff, when Monty was for it as well. Slaan, interestingly enough, susses the hell out of Monty for this in #1025.

It's pre associating Logic and Chox. However now we know a Chox lynch day 1 means Logic is the only possible lynch day 2. Could be seen as at least trying to buy a day to get the strongarm off. It's problematic for sure, but I have made ill-conceived posts as villa before, but I'm not that good of a player.

#1240 This was a post I remember and thought it originally looked good. Loses a bit with the last sentence. Says That it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum (with the qualifier of tentative conclusion...I'm being pedantic but you don't tentatively state an absolute like that /end English rant)

#1245 I still like this post, but a case could be made for prearguing suss.

There's another post, but for some reason my search of him returned only 4 pages, I might have to iso me to find what bugged me at the time because the meat of the post just lost me and I believe I sad something at the time.

Again This is maybe a bit confbias, but I don't know why Town Slaan would make up reads. He forgot his read on Winston, he forgot his hard suss on Monty, but now is lock clearing him, even though Monty has been pretty much in the same boat in my eyes since N1 for the last post I pointed to. In addition the F5 terminology when referring to Monty feels clunky AF. Am I crazy for thinking he wants a F3 with him, Monty and Bart?

I will say my Monty read has taken a bit of a hit (interesting that what I railed on Slaan today for is now what I feel like I'm doing with Monty). I don't really know now, I may have done the ISO all wrong but I did start out viewing his suss of Zack as a GL but devolved into looking for scummy behavior. I can see elements of crafty wolf in his day 1, but Slaan's day 4 has felt so bad that I can't really fully read Monty with Slaan around and I still think I'll be confused after. Then at the same time this whole day has been pretty much me, you, slaan and monty going back and forth, with the Chox bomb dropped in and a lot of passive observation by most everyone else in the thread.

Sigh. I'm a liar I guess there was more then one way I consider voting for Bart or Chox today. At this point I want to be the lynch today.

[Fredwood]

Also that took a lot effin longer then I thought.

[Montmorency]

#1240 This was a post I remember and thought it originally looked good. Loses a bit with the last sentence. Says That it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum (with the qualifier of tentative conclusion...I'm being pedantic but you don't tentatively state an absolute like that /end English rant)

That's not quite what I said.

So one thing about the early game that is strange is that GH is popping in once every big block of posts (e.g. 100) to ask a couple of questions, or make an hostile observation, or banter and vote. I'm not sure GH should be such of an itinerant normally, but maybe that's just unique timing and the regularity is pareidolia. Also, his range of substantive interactions is kind of limited to Zack and 'broadcast into thread'. I don't think that suggests partnership with Zack however, since at the very least IIRC GH and Zack like to get as much facetime with players other than their partners as possible in games they roll scum in. Without Zack ISO I think that spread matches Zack in this game better than GH. They would probably do similarly as town, but the point is that as scum GH is being rather more conservative.

Tentative conclusion: One and only one of these is scum.

[Fredwood]

That's not quite what I said.

One and only one of these is scum? You didn't say that?

[Montmorency]

One and only one of these is scum? You didn't say that?

I didn't say "it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum", either literally or in implication. I meant given what I read my prediction was that they were not paired. This does not mean that it is impossible for them to be paired.

[Fredwood]

I didn't say "it's only possible that one of Zack or GH is scum", either literally or in implication. I meant given what I read my prediction was that they were not paired. This does not mean that it is impossible for them to be paired.

I know, I was railing on your use of tentative with an absolute statement, I said as much that it was pedantic when you're saying I don't think they could be teammates. I mean I said as much myself at the time. The problem is that the way you state it feels more demonstrative then the way I did.

[Montmorency]

#1649 Is the post I was referring to thinking, that's a lot of words without a lot of anything that makes sense to me.

He does address it later, but I was too busy getting bothered by Slaan to really notice.

It's interesting because from a point of view GH/Zack and Monty could be seen as controlled distancing each other. So lol why would scum say "Hey look for something that could paint me in a bad light" but loleasycreditlol.

As long as you're reading me, give me your best shot.

I was railing on your use of tentative with an absolute statement

That's how it's typically used. You don't need to tentatively conclude that someone "might" be scum, because that's redundant.

[Fredwood]

As long as you're reading me, give me your best shot.



That's how it's typically used. You don't need to tentatively conclude that someone "might" be scum, because that's redundant.

Lol I'm nitpicking but I'm saying you shouldn't have said that at all, during the ISO I got to your wall and I had to stop and read it twice because the construction is more assertive then the wishy-washy EHHHH I don't think Zack could be scum with GH. Also you weren't implying "might" you were implying "not likely".

As far as reading you, I said where I'm at, I don't think I can seriously consider you right now with Slaan around. I've seen town do the things that bothered me during my ISO of you. I've never seen town forget demonstratively stated reads they've had.

Basically, I wouldn't have ISO'd if Pizza didn't ask, and I feel very conflicted about the Slaan flip. He's my biggest scum read, but I just really don't want him to be scum. Part of it is the response to legit issues with him, cus I do that often as town, but his initial response to pressure was really bad.

shrug

[Fredwood]

#1649 Is the post I was referring to thinking, that's a lot of words without a lot of anything that makes sense to me.

He does address it later, but I was too busy getting bothered by Slaan to really notice.

It's interesting because from a point of view GH/Zack and Monty could be seen as controlled distancing each other. So lol why would scum say "Hey look for something that could paint me in a bad light" but loleasycreditlol.