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talk to me about:
newyin
dya
cuth
soemone has a strong read on any of them?
newyin
dya
cuth
soemone has a strong read on any of them?
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
I'm glad to know that my pushing of two flipped mafia in one phase is enough to buy me exactly one day of goodwill.
Good. I am not usually this generous.I'm glad to know that my pushing of two flipped mafia in one phase is enough to buy me exactly one day of goodwill.
Originally Posted by Insaner:
This is a fallacy.
There's other wagonomics-related reasons too, but I'm annoyed at this point and just wanted to get my thoughts down. Will get more into detail about it when I get back but I really don't deserve the treatment that I'm getting from exactly you right now considering how my D1 and would greatly appreciate it if you recognized my contributions and started looking elsewhere.This is a fallacy.
gh has a point that egix just makes the most sense from every PoV
also it does look like he doesn't care about who the wolves are
but I find some of the things he is saying kinda villagery?
we shall see
also it does look like he doesn't care about who the wolves are
but I find some of the things he is saying kinda villagery?
we shall see
i have a kind of uneasy setting that im getting set up for a mislynch, but its hard 2 tell bc i was pretty wrong on d1 and its understandable to have doubts
Originally Posted by Insaner:
Call me dumb, then.
no. id call ur actions dumb, but not you xPCall me dumb, then.
@Choxorn
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
Originally Posted by ladd:
talk to me about:
newyin
dya
cuth
soemone has a strong read on any of them?
I think newyn is good! maybe its dumb reasoning but i feel it. can try 2 pull up poststalk to me about:
newyin
dya
cuth
soemone has a strong read on any of them?
unvote
should be back for another round of posting in abit
after that I am full of meetings tomorrow so I'll barely be able to post probably, but will try to sneak in for the last couple of hours of the day if manage
rest of the week should be a bit better
should be back for another round of posting in abit
after that I am full of meetings tomorrow so I'll barely be able to post probably, but will try to sneak in for the last couple of hours of the day if manage
rest of the week should be a bit better
newyn stuff
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
Originally Posted by merl1n:
newyn stuff
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
alrighty, thanksnewyn stuff
1) i liked his opening post, and the back and forth w chox. was very casual and easy, find that hard 2 do as bad
2) he expressed paranoia of me with a twist, that i was secretly some experienced player. i liked him thinking that way bc as bad hed know i was good and would take me at face value (fwiw i am pretty exp just not on forums)
3) he voted el barto but only bc he liked the ppl on the el barto wagon. this is probably my biggest reason he's good. he gets no credit if el barto is ever confirmed bad bc he just hopped on due to his good reads being on him. i think bads handle that diff
4) he pushed back on me when i called him good for the wagon formation accountability dodge. said he was just lazy and wld do it as either alignment. think bads wouldnt tell me not 2 read them as good for voting a partner
5) he feels consistently at ease after 2 bads die, think itd be different if he was bad with his team going kaboom
I am not sure how much of this is super indicative (in particular I think 4 means nothing and it s actually kinda wolfy) but I do kinda dig point #2
Originally Posted by ladd:
alrighty, thanks
I am not sure how much of this is super indicative (in particular I think 4 means nothing and it s actually kinda wolfy) but I do kinda dig point #2
i think the way #3 played out is v good for him, if u read back through thatalrighty, thanks
I am not sure how much of this is super indicative (in particular I think 4 means nothing and it s actually kinda wolfy) but I do kinda dig point #2
i paid the most attn to ppl who didnt end on a confirmed bad in my reread (newyn, egix, choxorn, logic) bc it makes sense for a starting point
Originally Posted by ladd:
@dyachei why did you ask this question?
because I didn't know who el-barto was and he mentioned earlier in the game he had played with me before@dyachei why did you ask this question?
Originally Posted by ladd:
can you explain this read, dya?
I don't think barto iso was empty at all
I read the first half of it before it was 5 minutes to EOD and had to stop. Empty meaning very little content. Felt like a lot of talking about nothingcan you explain this read, dya?
I don't think barto iso was empty at all
Originally Posted by merl1n:
id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Quick answer: id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Scum almost certainly had a village counterwagon at some point. You should be looking more closely at the D1 Ladd voters, especially when he was in serious contention.
It's not foolproof, but the odds are slim that Ladd is also scum.
Originally Posted by Logic:
Quick answer:
Scum almost certainly had a village counterwagon at some point. You should be looking more closely at the D1 Ladd voters, especially when he was in serious contention.
It's not foolproof, but the odds are slim that Ladd is also scum.
I think merl1n's point is that they in fact didn't.Quick answer:
Scum almost certainly had a village counterwagon at some point. You should be looking more closely at the D1 Ladd voters, especially when he was in serious contention.
It's not foolproof, but the odds are slim that Ladd is also scum.
need a live playerlist if anyone has one.
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
think barto's push on monty looks fairly not w/w so I'm comfortable keeping monty in my top towns
I think zack still looks good, too, for his d1 and his read of barto. I think he's fallen off a bit today, but I like yesterday enough he can stay there, too.
I saw some of the interactions merl1n posted for ladd and agree ladd probably not a wolf, either. And the work merl1n is putting in at this stage looks pretty good
Alive 14/17:
1. Montmorency
2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Logic
8. Dyachei
10. Fable
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
16. Insaner
17. merl1n
Dead 3/17:
9. Pzelda, Princess, Mafia, lynched D1.
15. Empoof, Priest, Town, died N1.
3. El Barto, Diviner, Mafia, died N1.
1. Montmorency
2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Logic
8. Dyachei
10. Fable
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
16. Insaner
17. merl1n
Dead 3/17:
9. Pzelda, Princess, Mafia, lynched D1.
15. Empoof, Priest, Town, died N1.
3. El Barto, Diviner, Mafia, died N1.
agree merl1n is posting well today
what you think abiut cuth dya?
what you think abiut cuth dya?
Originally Posted by Insaner:
Alive 14/17:
1. Montmorency
2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Logic
8. Dyachei
10. Fable
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
16. Insaner
17. merl1n
Dead 3/17:
9. Pzelda, Princess, Mafia, lynched D1.
15. Empoof, Priest, Town, died N1.
3. El Barto, Diviner, Mafia, died N1.
thanks insanerAlive 14/17:
1. Montmorency
2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Logic
8. Dyachei
10. Fable
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
16. Insaner
17. merl1n
Dead 3/17:
9. Pzelda, Princess, Mafia, lynched D1.
15. Empoof, Priest, Town, died N1.
3. El Barto, Diviner, Mafia, died N1.
Town
Montmorency
Zack
ladd
insaner
lean town
fable
merl1n
GH
logic
null
Chox
csargo
cuth
egix
newyn
lean wolf
wolf
I obviously have some work to do today to work out what to do with my null section. And yeah, i'm aware of chox' claim
It looks like you can't save more than 7 multiquotes at a time here? uhhhh
Originally Posted by ladd:
agree merl1n is posting well today
what you think abiut cuth dya?
he's someone I consistently have a hard time reading and I usually let others do it. I'll be looking at his posts hopefully in a bit.agree merl1n is posting well today
what you think abiut cuth dya?
can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?
Originally Posted by Csargo:
I'm still reading through the thread, I've had a busy few days, but my impressions so far:
Zack's opening was strong, but that's to be expected, Zack's a strong player. I'm hesitant to prematurely say he's town, but everything points in that direction. He spews sunshine and rainbows.
Empoof seems in a similar vein to Zack, nothing gives me pause about their play so far. Though I'm not familiar with Empoof's play in general, but from my perspective it's all been good so far.
I'm okay with merl1n, Insaner, and Logic overall. I don't particularly think Insaner's "I'm townier, answer my question." was productive, but to each their own. Other than that I haven't read anything from Insaner that would make me think negatively. merl1n just seems pure and engaged, it's refreshing, nothing negative to say about any of their contributions honestly. Logic's opening was meh, but his recent postings were pretty good I thought, and that makes me think he's town.
I agree with Zack's meta read of Barto's behavior, generally I'd expect Barto to vote Insaner there. It probably doesn't mean much, but it seemed cautious to me, which is unexpected from Barto. I might be reading too much into it though.
GH's opening bothered me initially, a bit generic maybe? or just fell flat with me I'm not sure exactly how to describe it. Plus his interaction with Zack about Insaner seemed odd to me. I generally agree with what he posted this morning, so I'm a bit torn overall about how to feel.
Monty is an enigma. I'm not sure how to feel about him currently.
I don't have much else, but I'll continue reading.
tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn. I'm still reading through the thread, I've had a busy few days, but my impressions so far:
Zack's opening was strong, but that's to be expected, Zack's a strong player. I'm hesitant to prematurely say he's town, but everything points in that direction. He spews sunshine and rainbows.
Empoof seems in a similar vein to Zack, nothing gives me pause about their play so far. Though I'm not familiar with Empoof's play in general, but from my perspective it's all been good so far.
I'm okay with merl1n, Insaner, and Logic overall. I don't particularly think Insaner's "I'm townier, answer my question." was productive, but to each their own. Other than that I haven't read anything from Insaner that would make me think negatively. merl1n just seems pure and engaged, it's refreshing, nothing negative to say about any of their contributions honestly. Logic's opening was meh, but his recent postings were pretty good I thought, and that makes me think he's town.
I agree with Zack's meta read of Barto's behavior, generally I'd expect Barto to vote Insaner there. It probably doesn't mean much, but it seemed cautious to me, which is unexpected from Barto. I might be reading too much into it though.
GH's opening bothered me initially, a bit generic maybe? or just fell flat with me I'm not sure exactly how to describe it. Plus his interaction with Zack about Insaner seemed odd to me. I generally agree with what he posted this morning, so I'm a bit torn overall about how to feel.
Monty is an enigma. I'm not sure how to feel about him currently.
I don't have much else, but I'll continue reading.
Originally Posted by Csargo:
My reads on people who I don't have much or any experience playing with are extremely tentative. I'm not terribly confident nor is my track record terribly good in such cases. I have trouble reading generally in mafia games, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is I'm bad
he even talks about that hereMy reads on people who I don't have much or any experience playing with are extremely tentative. I'm not terribly confident nor is my track record terribly good in such cases. I have trouble reading generally in mafia games, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is I'm bad
Originally Posted by Csargo:
Vote: El Barto
good vote thoughVote: El Barto
Originally Posted by Csargo:
Don't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.
but again, he's afraid to clear peopleDon't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.
Originally Posted by Csargo:
Feel like Egix or Choxorn should be lynched today. Choxorn's hard to read in my experience, and I don't know anything about Egix. I read Choxorn's iso yesterday and wasn't impressed I guess you'd say and what you've posted of Egix doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what to make of ladd at this point. I want to give them some amount of credit for putting the damning vote on zelda, but looking at the vote count at the end makes that hard for me. I wouldn't vote them anytime soon though.
Felt like merl1n was good on my initial read through, and haven't really seen anything to change my mind so far other than being off the two main wagons yesterday.
Don't know anything about Newyn and nothing has stood out to me about them so far.
I'm 90% certain Logic is town. I'm pretty alright with saying you, Zack, and Insaner are town.
I feel like Cuth is playing different from what I remember about their play, so it's up in the air.
I have no read on Dya, other than zelda vote is good.
Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either directionFeel like Egix or Choxorn should be lynched today. Choxorn's hard to read in my experience, and I don't know anything about Egix. I read Choxorn's iso yesterday and wasn't impressed I guess you'd say and what you've posted of Egix doesn't look good.
I'm not sure what to make of ladd at this point. I want to give them some amount of credit for putting the damning vote on zelda, but looking at the vote count at the end makes that hard for me. I wouldn't vote them anytime soon though.
Felt like merl1n was good on my initial read through, and haven't really seen anything to change my mind so far other than being off the two main wagons yesterday.
Don't know anything about Newyn and nothing has stood out to me about them so far.
I'm 90% certain Logic is town. I'm pretty alright with saying you, Zack, and Insaner are town.
I feel like Cuth is playing different from what I remember about their play, so it's up in the air.
I have no read on Dya, other than zelda vote is good.
Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)
Originally Posted by Csargo:
I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.
This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.
This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
Originally Posted by merl1n:
can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?
don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just realcan you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?
Originally Posted by dyachei:
don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real
I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?
I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it thereI just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?
Originally Posted by dyachei:
I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there
I called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there
Don't mind me, this took a while to fetch so I'm just saving it here for my own perusal so it doesn't get lost 
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. 
(but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
I called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.
Honestly, that didn't really register to me and I just reread your iso the other day lol. I was more focused on your interactions with flipped wolvesI called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.
move logic to null pile then
Originally Posted by Choxorn:
Yes. Are you?
Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.
kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignmentYes. Are you?
Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.
Originally Posted by Choxorn:
Had a chance to go look back through the thread again, and yeah, it's mainly been Zack and Empoof pushing Barto, as well as ladd, (so, 2 of Insaner's townreads and 1 scumread), with a few others occasionally mentioning him (and Monty's voting for him now, of course). Not really sure why Insaner thinks Barto is spewed town by "all these wolfy people" going after him. Ladd going after Barto certainly doesn't mean he can't be scum, or that those two couldn't be scumbuddies.
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with bartoHad a chance to go look back through the thread again, and yeah, it's mainly been Zack and Empoof pushing Barto, as well as ladd, (so, 2 of Insaner's townreads and 1 scumread), with a few others occasionally mentioning him (and Monty's voting for him now, of course). Not really sure why Insaner thinks Barto is spewed town by "all these wolfy people" going after him. Ladd going after Barto certainly doesn't mean he can't be scum, or that those two couldn't be scumbuddies.
Originally Posted by Choxorn:
I don't think I can really defend how crappy I was yesterday- I'm busy IRL a lot and don't always pay enough attention and that turns into me being way too inactive.
Current thoughts: Zack is lock town, merl1n, Insaner, ladd, GH, and Fable are all likely town, lots of the thread looks somewhere between town and scum to me. Looks like lots of folks wanna lynch either me or Egix today based on how we acted yesterday, and I also thought he was suspicious yesterday- but I also tracked him doing nothing last night, which is far from clearing but is certainly a point in his favor.
Really need to read things a bit more to get a stronger idea of who's scummy, I'll get to that later but for now I need to go eat dinner.
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now. I don't think I can really defend how crappy I was yesterday- I'm busy IRL a lot and don't always pay enough attention and that turns into me being way too inactive.
Current thoughts: Zack is lock town, merl1n, Insaner, ladd, GH, and Fable are all likely town, lots of the thread looks somewhere between town and scum to me. Looks like lots of folks wanna lynch either me or Egix today based on how we acted yesterday, and I also thought he was suspicious yesterday- but I also tracked him doing nothing last night, which is far from clearing but is certainly a point in his favor.
Really need to read things a bit more to get a stronger idea of who's scummy, I'll get to that later but for now I need to go eat dinner.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
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