Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Ephemeral]

actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn

also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it

Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?

[GeneralHankerchief]

[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814990]There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I guess overall, and barring further developments, I'd like to chop within Eph/Dolby/[Amy if it comes to it] today as per my above walls. Amy and dya both get a courtesy of giving them time to get into things, but Amy less so because I feel like she's been somewhat actively wolfy as opposed to dya, who just hasn't really done much. I'm not interested in chopping Monty today, though I reserve the right to put him back on the table D2 depending on how things go. Neither am I interested in chopping Maple today, I feel like that would be stupid and feel like people are just kind of baseline scumreading him due to seeing him a LOT as mafia recently. I'm not seeing what they're seeing here.

All of these quotes in the spoiler come well before EOD1 and detail my thinking over why I preferred Amy/Rask over dya, and considering I already talked about it again at SOD2 I really don't think it bears continued repeating. There are perfectly valid reasons to push me and I will grant that my associatives will look absolutely atrocious if Rask flips town and if dya flips mafia. However, pushing me from a perspective of "I don't understand why he treated Amy differently from dya" is far, far different than "he tried to save the one mafia who was viable at EOD". One actually makes sense. The other, especially considering I have explained it time and again, is approaching the territory of "actively failing to listen".

Like, let me elaborate: Let's say Visor comes in on D2 and starts pushing me because he thinks I was trying to invoke powerwolf.jpg at EOD yesterday and save a partner, just like I was trying to do in the team game except this time more successfully. I go "well yeah, this *does* look bad for me, doesn't it?" and put my pants on and try to work through stuff without giving him a second glance.

Visor didn't do that though. He spent time on my Eph push and then framed his me/dya take by continuing to be confused why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, which, as I just detailed above, is a thing that I very much spent time on D1 and should not be a point of confusion to anyone in the game reading.

See the difference?

[pzelda]

uh, i didn’t bold anything but it was supposed to be “the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum” @pzelda

Yeah, I forgot it wasn't a tie in the end.
@Raskolnikov - ride or die with Maple I can't really explain. I guess it was an early feeling the slot was giving me. As you can see I'm not there anymore. @Esooa - My read on Eph is kinda lacking. Maybe it's because his posts are kinda bland. I think he looked great early on, but his contributions were more about agreeing with others than yours or Hally's. He was in touch with the thread, but not adding much of his own. GH picked this up and I had to agree with his take. It's something I'm still keeping an eye on. I don't see it as damning as GH does. I don't exactly know what to expect from Eph, but him following the thread instead of making his own solving keeps me wary.

[Ephemeral]

Eph, can i get a sentence each on: hally, monty, dolby?

I've been vibing pretty hard with Hally since early D1, and with team game recently behind us I think I'm better attuned to their process as villagers in general. I'm pretty confident they're villagers here and don't see myself looking in that general direction anytime soon

Monty has had plenty of ??? posts, however idt it's in a bad way? Like I'm looking over his posts and it feels like he's just living/solving in his own bubble which makes me think >rand v

Dolby I liked early d1, he dropped off quite a bit as the game went on though. iirc made some decent posts around last EoD but... not much else. gth still v but I'm not married to the read by any means

[Hally]

[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814990]There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I guess overall, and barring further developments, I'd like to chop within Eph/Dolby/[Amy if it comes to it] today as per my above walls. Amy and dya both get a courtesy of giving them time to get into things, but Amy less so because I feel like she's been somewhat actively wolfy as opposed to dya, who just hasn't really done much. I'm not interested in chopping Monty today, though I reserve the right to put him back on the table D2 depending on how things go. Neither am I interested in chopping Maple today, I feel like that would be stupid and feel like people are just kind of baseline scumreading him due to seeing him a LOT as mafia recently. I'm not seeing what they're seeing here.

All of these quotes in the spoiler come well before EOD1 and detail my thinking over why I preferred Amy/Rask over dya, and considering I already talked about it again at SOD2 I really don't think it bears continued repeating. There are perfectly valid reasons to push me and I will grant that my associatives will look absolutely atrocious if Rask flips town and if dya flips mafia. However, pushing me from a perspective of "I don't understand why he treated Amy differently from dya" is far, far different than "he tried to save the one mafia who was viable at EOD". One actually makes sense. The other, especially considering I have explained it time and again, is approaching the territory of "actively failing to listen".

i can’t speak for visor, but where my issue lies at least is i feel like you purposefully downplayed concerns about dya when you should have been more concerned about them than you were. but this is all moot if dya is a villager and i don’t really want to discuss it more right now

[dyachei]

actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn

also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it

Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?

manti's not memeing enough

it's a real thing

I don't care about the cooking pictures because he does or doesnt do those as both alignment (see: rocks)

but he's been on topic for the majority of the game (still need to reread his iso, too, because d1 didn't stick with me that much)

[Hally]

i can’t speak for visor, but where my issue lies at least is i feel like you purposefully downplayed concerns about dya when you should have been more concerned about them than you were. but this is all moot if dya is a villager and i don’t really want to discuss it more right now

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[dyachei]

I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual

I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday

so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?

[Cuthillius]

vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Hally]

Hally, where are we at if dya v?

i don’t know and i feel bad now because i think they could be

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is honestly ing exasperating.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Cuthalion

[pzelda]

To head off any questions, Visor is probably my biggest drop on this from yesterday and I think it has to do in large part to how he's treating my slot; I find it hard to believe that he, specifically, has locked himself into a mafia!GH world and is solving around from there and that he really can't even entertain a town motive in my actions.



The bolded line specifically is just atrocious considering how many times I've explained my thought process w/r/t preferring Amy/Rask over dya on d1 and him just outright refusing to recognize it, I've spent too much time and effort on it already and at this point I think he's willfully misinterpreting my posts to get what he wants.

Yeah, this is what I wanted to see. Honestly, I'm moving among several possible worlds right now and it makes my reads super flippy-floppy. But I wanted to see you suspect Visor, because after agreeing with Visor I realized, that this is the only path scum Visor could take after gunning for Amy/Rask yesterday without looking sus. I'm still not decided whether I want to go with you scum, Visor scum or someone else, but I'm glad to see this and it makes the game less black and white.
Ofc, your move is defensive here and that makes it more difficult to read, but it also makes perfect sense to be suspicious of Visor's push in your position as town.

I hope my words are clear enough for everyone to understand them. If not, I think this is one thing I can easily reword or expand on.

[Hally]

vote: GeneralHankerchief

Vote: Cuthalion

sup?

[dyachei]

manasi had like 2 posts on topic and that might be a decent look for her iirc

[dyachei]

@Visor

why did you call dolby v so early? what post did it for you?

[GeneralHankerchief]

sup?

90% frustration.

10% something that may actually be AI for him but realistically I'm leveling myself into thinking the figure could be that high.

[pzelda]

I dont even know. people are just talking about and at me though, not to me. And it sucks to be told what a disappointment I am over and over again

I enjoy playing with you! And I guess we all have enough respect for you to expect more!!! If you're town, just don't take it personally and do your best to have a good time.

[Hally]

90% frustration.

10% something that may actually be AI for him but realistically I'm leveling myself into thinking the figure could be that high.

and that is...?

[Ephemeral]

I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual

I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday

so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?

meh, wifom

Besides it wasn't just GH that made a play to save you yesterday, manti also did the same thing

And while GH actually had some semblance of progression towards voting to save you, manti went out of his way at eod to claim he thinks you should die and argue into voting your counter on some "wagon formation" shenanigans instead

Did that move not stand out to you in any way?

[pzelda]

actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn

also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it

Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?

I feel like Eph's is doing things right now. I'm interested to see where it leads him.

[Cuthillius]

vote: Montmorency

exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today

[GeneralHankerchief]

and that is...?

Nothing worth talking about.

I'm trying to untilt myself and get back to trying to find more town, please don't ask me to follow up on this.

[pzelda]

manti's not memeing enough

it's a real thing

I don't care about the cooking pictures because he does or doesnt do those as both alignment (see: rocks)

but he's been on topic for the majority of the game (still need to reread his iso, too, because d1 didn't stick with me that much)

This is actually a good take.

[dyachei]

meh, wifom

Besides it wasn't just GH that made a play to save you yesterday, manti also did the same thing

And while GH actually had some semblance of progression towards voting to save you, manti went out of his way at eod to claim he thinks you should die and argue into voting your counter on some "wagon formation" shenanigans instead

Did that move not stand out to you in any way?

i wasn't around at EOD due to a birthday dinner for my mom

which is why i've been focusing on ISOs today

I'll look at manti after I finish looking at visor but i vaguely knew he saved me, not that he wanted me dead as well

[Cuthillius]

GH, I v-read your entry to the day, I think a fair amount of what you've done really makes a lot of sense if you're a villager here, but I also think you're being a bit reactionary with the Visor vote. He could absolutely be a wolf, but his thought process and progression have been reasonable and fine so far. My vote on you was mostly for how... mechanical your flip over to dya today felt? It felt like you'd chosen not to push there and then you chose to do without much change on their end in between.

Where are you at on Eph at present?

[Ephemeral]

i wasn't around at EOD due to a birthday dinner for my mom

which is why i've been focusing on ISOs today

I'll look at manti after I finish looking at visor but i vaguely knew he saved me, not that he wanted me dead as well

happy belated birthday!

lmk what you get after going through it

[Hally]

gonna head out. @ me with stuff, etc

[Ephemeral]

This is actually a good take.

(fwiw that's kind of how I'd expect dya to read manti's play so far, to some extent)

nothing major as I think they'd be able to fake that read atp but it's there

[dyachei]

visor's probably town and i can't really tell you why. I expect him to push me here because of my activity levels and i don't think he's only focusing on that for his reads

just feels organic