Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Esooa]

Hard claiming not a resurrectionist, no idea why the point about GH being dead already is trying to be emphasized here!!!

lmao Ara is great

[Esooa]

re:monte

its not just not calling dya a wolf ever. It's not really saying anything about their alignment other than "if villa then XYZ, if wolf then XYZ"

On day 1 they had +/- points for both Csargo and rask but for dya it was just this "GH said its like amy but lesser"

haven't really gone through Monteys ISO myself though so I suppose I'll look at this regarding him. Still, the amount of votes he got for not really a great reason makes me apprehensive regardless

this is probably very much not unaffected by me being annoyed I can ask Manti his read on me day 2 multiple times (including both day 2 and day 3) then never be answered and it's under no real consideration iirc

[Esooa]

his posts felt like “haha i’m just a villager”

lmao

[Esooa]

My BOY Spacecamp Logic was looking to take home an EMMY

meh

the first post is kinda performative but I agreed with him that the way you were questioning it was weird

[Esooa]

Does this site do the whole antispew spew thing

The concepts and terms, really

this site is basically MU in this game considering the playerlist but maybe that's just me having never played here before

[Esooa]

@essoa

where are you

I work 13 hour shifts saturday/sunday and have been very low energy/sleepy

[Maple]

haven't really gone through Monteys ISO myself though so I suppose I'll look at this regarding him. Still, the amount of votes he got for not really a great reason makes me apprehensive regardless

this is probably very much not unaffected by me being annoyed I can ask Manti his read on me day 2 multiple times (including both day 2 and day 3) then never be answered and it's under no real consideration iirc

I think it's because no one cares lol

[Maple]

whats funny is that i posted a detailed read here but you didnt even comment on it lol

[Esooa]

Dolby ISO

"GH's focus on that and straight up going to say that me and Esooa probably aren't teammed feels way to much like the Wazza and TL tunnels in Ice Cream for me to be comfortable with that"

pretty bad post

"ok, this was something that I forgot about his D1. I just remember the TES/TL tunnel and screaming at Ace to shield TL and pressure GH over it

Monty not being noticeably whack in his first post is probably good in and of itself. Last time I saw him as maf he was visibly furry, and this was a multiball game where he could make himself good better by solving for his opponents."

"Monty just pointing to a scrum and saying there's scum in it is normal for him. Move along citizens"

I don't really know how Dolby plays as wolf so I'd like to know if people think he's the kinda player that would defend a scum partner like this

"This is bad

1. Continues to not explain Monty read. Monty's posts certainly weren't disasterous. Dude isn't even whack in lowercase at this point"

(responding to Capage)

This feels more like w/w to me

"Eh

Vote: pzelda

Maybe an isolated bad tunnel but I don’t like what I’m seeing here."

Don't like this vote

"I'm astounded that Ara is reading Monty as twtbaw, and that people are heavily scumreading him for his entrance. The outcome itself is probably fine in an environment where he's being either ignored or mildly sus but it's a big thonk

Monty's hard post is around the fluff level I expect it to be. Think it's just typical him. Isn't howling. He's fine"

He mentions Monty a lot but just reads him as "he's fine"

"Amp's Dya vote is meh. Don't think they mentioned them before the vote?

Dya is here and I should ISO the slot since this is the first Dya post I really remember seeing (833), but they are definetely less impactful than in Ice Cream team maf D2"

Dislike the tonal differences here; seems the Ampharos point is more scum leaning tonally while kinda just acknowledging Dya

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Right, so my experience with Monty has basically been the games on CFC, and let's take Star Trek and the Franklin ship cannibal game that I was hosting as examples of his town play.

In both games he had absolutely awful takes. I remember the Star Trek game better, but to outline, he pretty much voted with who maf wanted everyday. This did catch him some heat but people were able to find him as town because despite having the objectively worst vote record of a living player at that point he had a followable process and his method was alright. People did not find him in Franklin, but from what I remember of what I thought then, I thought his process was alright.

Compare that to Princes, where he was maf, I thought that he was maf instantly. This is kinda astounding because this was multiball and he could augment his fake reads with legitimate solving for the other team, but he was off instantly. Reads didn't seem to have a followable process until he somewhat adapted in the later game, was quite clearly pushing an agenda in his posts from D2, and everything he said was WHACK with capital letters. He also had a clear hard time getting into the thread state early game. I think that the way he's adapted "early game" this game has been alright and par for the course on how he normally does things, and I think a few of the points that I've seen from people are invalid and really shouldn't have been brought up normally (pzelda coming to mind of course)

I think when he expands his read on Monty it's good though; Monty definitely fits in the archetype of "someone who is naturally scum read" from what I can tell, and his thought processes this game are followable

"I am getting different vibes from GH dropping Csargo into the POE than GH doing the same to beeboy in the team game, which is pretty notable given that these are pretty similar contexts."

Agree with this

Another Dolby post about Monty

Dolby's scum read on Capage is pretty bad

Reading Dolby's EoD I'm agreeing with who ever said that Dolby had to find a CW because he town read Csargo and didn't want to vote Dya. I felt really off about his Raskol vote at the time and it's still pretty bad

Basically everything from Dolby

Decently scummy, focuses on Monty a weird amount. Had a few takes I agreed with (Monty when he explained, GH thing about beeboy) but in general they felt off (Pzelda read, read on me, SoD read on GH, reads on amph/Dya, etc) and had a bad EoD

[Esooa]

I wanna ISO Dya/Manti but my eye lids are drooping

I'll be back tomorrow

[ColonelLubriderm]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

Pzelda iso has lots f eod1 analysis. Spicy one is how he points out visor vote is at a time where it’s non threatening to dya

[ColonelLubriderm]

Ok, I'm starting reading here. Colonel on Csargo looks like possible wolf positioning, but let's overlook that. If I recall it correctly, Bop suspected Csargo years before voting him.
So, other wagons and non-voters. I think dya was active enough to vote at this point. I think her focus on defensing herself is a bad look and still might be the best lunch today. I would expect 1 or 2 wolves in throwaway votes too.
Rask being town or scum is important here. Town rask makes dya's wagon very likely pure. That would mean the other 1-2 wolves are in Dolby, Monty, Visor. All of this fits with my previous reads btw.
Not much else to take from this.

actaully, Visor made this vote, when Dya had a single vote. So, It shouldn't be used for not w/w reads.

I feel like this part is somehow wolfy from Maple.

I don't find the wording of this post and how it's connected with slank cover towny at all.

Ok, here Esooa put dya in the lead. That makes me feel good (esp. because i find it harder and harder to see dya as town again).

Above is a bunch of multi quotes I decided to not use but don’t know how to clear so ima just spoil them to get rid of them

[Visor]

Pzelda iso has lots f eod1 analysis. Spicy one is how he points out visor vote is at a time where it’s non threatening to dya

this is dumb and you know it

especially because i didn't move from the vote and i was AT eod

[Arapocalypse]

Mason/poison/peek

Maple/logic/cuth

Mason Cuth, poison Logic, peek Maple!!!

[Ephemeral]

mornin

[Ephemeral]

if theres a busser its esooa i think

why's that

[Ephemeral]

vote: cuthilius

[Ephemeral]

Mason Cuth, poison Logic, peek Maple!!!

Talk to me about cuth?

[Ephemeral]

this is dumb and you know it

especially because i didn't move from the vote and i was AT eod

ye this is correct

nl could've easily switched to raskol there if he wanted to

[Visor]

why's that

raskol v
im v
ephemeral
esooa
manasi

you voted third iirc when you probably didnt have to vote there at all and make it a wagon

esooa voting shrug, im sure shed bus

mansai could def bus there and has in the past but idk, if her plan is to not pay attention bussing kinda stinks there unless she is a strong pr

idk!

i dont necessarily think esooa is a wolf, but out of the three id order eph>manasi>esooa

[Visor]

wheres your head at eph

[Ephemeral]

wheres your head at eph

cuth posts leave something to be desired(heh heh heh)

logic exists, but in past tense so maybe just a wolf throwing in the towel? idk

monty feels like bait, I don't have a strong case to make here either way so /shrug, but the first word that comes to mind is definitely "bait"

I miss manasi

manti's doing stuff and I'm curious to see where it leads him, in a vacuum i still think his posts are more into his v range rather than w range but it's far from a lock, him choosing to dome monty doesn't particularly excite me atm and the stuff with dya is still there and it's pretty meh

[Ephemeral]

bop is still fine imo

[Ephemeral]

bop is still fine imo

or, well

I think him choosing the "look at zelda's analysis saying nl bussed!" line is pretty bad considering the basis of the narrative is blatantly flawed

but other than that I think he's kinda solid so

[ColonelLubriderm]

or, well

I think him choosing the "look at zelda's analysis saying nl bussed!" line is pretty bad considering the basis of the narrative is blatantly flawed

but other than that I think he's kinda solid so

Stop being dramatic

[Visor]

i can see wolf manasi just sponging ppl so she doesnt have to think and hoping we carry her i guess

[ColonelLubriderm]

ye this is correct

nl could've easily switched to raskol there if he wanted to

Why do you think !wNL would switch off of Dya?

[ColonelLubriderm]

I mean, if logic doesn’t show up we’re always voting them right?

Just making sure everyone is in the same headspace

[Visor]

I mean, if logic doesn’t show up we’re always voting them right?

Just making sure everyone is in the same headspace

yes

@ bop

i couldve also just... voted raskol at that eod? if w/w with dya. i did push that slot earlier?

[ColonelLubriderm]

yes

@ bop

i couldve also just... voted raskol at that eod? if w/w with dya. i did push that slot earlier?

Why would you ever take your foot off dya when doing so likely just puts heat on you since dya is going to go regardless and possibly even poisoned overnight.

I don’t subscribe to the theory that you have to save dya there. Sometimes you could sure, but sometimes you just either decide to stay because they’re going down anyway or you stay to roll the dice because if they don’t go down and you are on them that’s good looks for later.


Also in the mash that just ended on pog you literally bussed dya day 1 ove4 a villa when there were v/w wagons and they were a vig.

So I don’t buy the line that you “have” to save dya there and you feeding that to me is problematic to say the least.