Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Raskolnikov]

wolfy "but I have". Why do you feel this way?

nvm, I misread you taffy :wowee:

[Ephemeral]

ya most likely will be asleep by eod so I'm gonna have to pick a lane in a bit
@Visor if you're around can you gimme something on rask here? iirc you had some slam dunk reads on him before

[Raskolnikov]

(not to say I am convinced by your case or your ISO tbh, but there are too many people gearing up for my ML for me not to take a closer look lol)

[Totally not Taffy]

you know when people voting you have no reasons to do it and there are at least 3 other players who are just sheeping them saying "meh", "POE", etc...

Who are the wolves?

Only two people are voting you atm.

Official Tally as of #184

2 Raskolnikov (Lantana, Sunbae)

1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Mischief (Visor)
1 Totally not Taffy (Raskolnikov)

Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief, Totally not Taffy

Day 1 ends in

Unvoting is fine, just make sure I can see it easily (so unvote: x or vote: unvote, something like that since i ctrl+f "vote:").

PM me or message me on discord if there are any errors.

But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?

[Raskolnikov]

Only two people are voting you atm.



But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?

Yeah two yolo votes, but Mischief, insomnia and Ephemeral have expressed sus.

That's where I am coming from.

NGL, they all look opportunistic to me. Even Ephe, since he is making a big deal about something I typically posted as a not serious thing, and also assuming weird stuff (like villagers form reasonable reads lol when he should know better). He could be a pinged villager (ego reading is a thing really), but that could be agenda too. I want to see where he goes from there and what he thinks about other slots.

[dyachei]

vote: enderwiggin

[Raskolnikov]

RN I am good with Mischief though (I checked he is the one having me in his POE despite being null... curiously low posters aren't null, they don't deserve a read and are basically out of the yeet pool, smh)

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #217

2 Mischief (Visor, Raskolnikov)
2 Raskolnikov (Lantana, Sunbae)

1 EnderWiggin (dyachei)
1 Lantana (EnderWiggin)
1 Visor (Totally not Taffy)

Not Voting: Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief

Day 1 ends in

[Mischief]

I don't like this unvote: the strenght and articulation of the read don't go well with the quick turnaround when called out about it. Also the bold sentence doesn't come from the same brain who wrote the first post lol.

There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.

[Raskolnikov]

like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post

Where I'm at with reads:
Dya, Sunbae and Visor:
I'm going to lump all three together because all three are connected in this thought process.
Sunbae I thought was independently villagery, and to an extent Dya as well.
There are only two scum, so all three can't be scum.
If all three are capable of reading each other well, and all arrive at similar conclusions as each other (Visor hasn't addressed Dya yet, but still), it's more probable that they are villagers in this instance, than it is that two of them are scum and are fooling the people in the thread who are most likely to have a correct read on them.
I think that Dya's points regarding Vsor/myself are more likely to come from a village perspective.
So despite heavily distrusting Visor push on me, I hesitantly conclude that Visor is more likely a villager.

Ender: null
Insomnia: Needs to post more
Lantana: light v read, mostly tone, will evolve as substance is provided one way or another.
Rask: null
Taffy: null
Ephemeral: not enough posts/content to have an opinion there. (what little there is seems pretty up beat and comfortable, which may be promising, but extremely inconclusive)


My D1 POE is currently largely Ender, Rask, and Taffy, I think Taffy is an outlier in this group.
Maybe Insomnia, but with as much as they are D1 wagoned, and with as little there is to dissect from them, I'm not likely voting here today, unless they show up at EOD and provide something worth wagoning.
Would like to see more from Taffy, Rask, Ender, as well as Insomnia and Ephemeral.
If Rask is scum I could potentially see Ender as the partner there, and vice versa.


It's definitely a bit of a different feel on this site.

[Mischief]

POE talks D1 are bad because they generally come from wolves struggling to fake cases or escape TMI, so I guess I will reread this slot (is it insomnia or Mischief?)

I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
​Vote: Raskolnikov

[Raskolnikov]

There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.

thanks for the context :)

I'd like to hear what @Visorslash thinks about it I guess. (we are all different and I want to know if he believes you here)

[dyachei]

rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w

[Ephemeral]

Vote: EnderWiggins

[Ephemeral]

I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
​Vote: Raskolnikov

Ephemera and me are different people btw

[Raskolnikov]

I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine.
​Vote: Raskolnikov

I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves

I don't have a problem with D1 solving.

I have no problem rn.

lol this post. jeebus

[Mischief]

Ephemera and me are different people btw

Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP

[Mischief]

I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves

I don't have a problem with D1 solving.

I have no problem rn.

lol this post. jeebus

If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.

[Mischief]

rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w

Different how?

[Ephemeral]

Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP

that's a classic

[Visor]

Hello

[dyachei]

Different how?

he's more in tune with what's happening

[Mischief]

like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post

I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.

[Ephemeral]

could be pure recency bias but I've liked most of taffy's recent posts so I think i'm good with saying i don't want to go there today

[Raskolnikov]

If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.

I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.

what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.


POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).


also Dya meant I am polarised ;)

[EnderWiggin]

I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)

Guv, there's fur here.

[EnderWiggin]

(That was about Lantana not Mischief, clarifying as I see there's a bit of Mischief sus going on.)

[dyachei]

I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.

what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.


POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).


also Dya meant I am polarised ;)

idk about that. I dont remember your village game so much as I remember how out of sync you were (before the thing happened) in our wolf game.

[Raskolnikov]

I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.

Because they should be null (and not left out)

Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)

[Ephemeral]

Because they should be null (and not left out)

Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)

looking back on it I do agree with this tbh, it's def bit too wordy for what should've been a null read lol