Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]

[Raskolnikov]

Lol Sunbae, I had forgotten these eod posts. I dont know if w!lanfantana spews him like that but thats something indeed

[Raskolnikov]

dya def wolfread lantana - so theres the lantana aspect
dya townread insomnia, townread me, townread rask,
voted ender?

Oh its just insom then.

NyA!

Vote: insomnia

[Raskolnikov]

Ender I still dont think is wolfing

[Visor]

nobody wolfread dya iirc
if dya is correct, wolves are just ender/lantana

ender/mischief/insom are my poe

re mischief and lantana interaction sunbae: it didn't feel to me like there was any real attempt by lantana or mischief to engage with each other. michief had the entry that taffy and i commented on but lantana didnt, (even though lantana saw the posts because they commented on me after that iirc), and the question lantana asked mischief is something that could easily be w/w in that its a very simple fake interaction thingo

the light townread stuff but also never interacting seems weird to me on both ends

[Visor]

Oh its just insom then.

NyA!

Vote: insomnia

i dont get it

[Visor]

just from memory but "Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?"

is their only interaction? just weird to me

[Raskolnikov]

i dont get it

I think the wolf is in this list, I town read you and Ender.

If its not insom, I still like mischief smh.

[Raskolnikov]

I am out of town friendos, I ll follow on phone but cant do actual work till closer to eod btw.

[Visor]

I think the wolf is in this list, I town read you and Ender.

If its not insom, I still like mischief smh.

ah ok

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah Visor, i am not saying it should make sense outside of my brain lol. Spare me, I am ackward

[Sunbae]

Headspace with the rest of the game (I aint got the energy after that to go into super detail right now):


Tier 1

Ephemeral: Was attempted to be killed by Lan during the end of eod. Almost certainly a villager.

Rask: Called out Lan early, posted well, Lan went hard at them throughout the day: Voted them as the first real wagon that developed during mid day, started using their push on rask flipping wolf to make reads off of other players in a way that would not benefit wolves. Like, it wasn't trying to chain rask wolf into killing villagers that could be partnered with Rask. It was trying to clear people based off Rask flip. Dya also said very different from their w/w game if you're into meta reads. Almost certainly a villager.


Tier 2

Visor: I don't think the way Lan shifted on their read on Visor from V to W citing KATZE META and being diplomatic instead of word salad is w/w. I also don't think, if manufactured, that is the way Visor responds. Nice, laid back, relaxed “I am aware of everything I post”, “yes my posting style can change”, and “I don't see an issue with being diplomatic”. There's no tension nor something for him to point back to for credit (and in that interaction I think it'd certainly be him going for the look good credit and not the other way around). I recognize that this is, well, ironic given I'm giving him credit for it. But I hope that distinction makes sense. Very likely a villager.

Mischief: I think the way Mischief played is right inside town meta. The deference to me/dya on a read of Visor felt really pure, sure, but I'm talking more of the mild stubborness about working via POE in a small game like this. Find villa reads, box out the rest, vote your best bet in there. I liked their backing off of Visor and Rask in that way after those interactions. Knowing that Lan is a wolf, the way they said they'll back off of Rask for now but will revisit if Ender is a wolf is a really good look I think. That's agendaless, no way for ender to flip wolf in a wolf!mischief world now. Very likely a villager.


Tier 3

Ender: If it's not insomnia I think it has to be here. I wish I had some like, big things to point towards but I don't. It's pure poe at this point but I don't think it's reasonable to have big things for EnderWolf anyways. This is a shitty blurb on him, I know. I'm tired. I'm hoping it doesn't matter. If it does I'll do my due diligence.


Insomnia: wrote about this already, think its the wolf

[Sunbae]

just from memory but "Mischief what's your Rasko read summarized in one sentence now?"

is their only interaction? just weird to me

Would it be helpful for us to talk about Mischief more? I really don't think that's the answer (and I think the lack of any interaction between them and the wolf is a town indicative thing rather than a wolf one).

[Sunbae]

Now that we're in the "find the lone wolf" phase of the game I think we should mostly just focus on day 1 with the new info we've accrued. It's really easy for the wolf to sound villagery from this point on and I've seen too many games go from a "village collective is doing great" situation to a "oh the lone wolf is making a real run of it because they just are posting better" lately. Last game here, cog psy off the top of my head. Just like, keep in mind that they'll sound good (everyone in this game will) and just focus on d1 with lots of wagons, interactions, and the nks (past/future). Hoping this is just another "lol covering bases in a locked game" situation but yeah

[Sunbae]

I think its unlikely? I mainly voted insom at EOD because I didnt think Blade was wolfing.

Now I am at Mischief, or a secret tinfoil (not Visor)

A bit sadge my breadscrumbs didnt get me a N1. Next time Ill ask respectfuflly.

Also, any thought on why Dya? Who kills Dya here?

If you don't think it's insom or ender then this game is going to be really hard. I think like visor said, going at Lan was probably it.

[Visor]

Not to counter your point, because I agree with it, bit cog psy.... If anything c4s posting got worse, he was just hard defended by SPF because of bad meta claims

I tried to kill him for days lol

[Visor]

Would it be helpful for us to talk about Mischief more? I really don't think that's the answer (and I think the lack of any interaction between them and the wolf is a town indicative thing rather than a wolf one).

Talk about why it seems more town indicative for you if you could

And ya it'd help me.

[Sunbae]

Not to counter your point, because I agree with it, bit cog psy.... If anything c4s posting got worse, he was just hard defended by SPF because of bad meta claims

I tried to kill him for days lol

lol, fair. i just remember sitting in spec saying "but we had such a good poe that we got to collectively please follow it "

[Visor]

lol, fair. i just remember sitting in spec saying "but we had such a good poe that we got to collectively please follow it "

it was nearly a 4th quarter collapse for the ages, that f5 really bugs me lol, one of these days ill write an article over why it was so bad :P (not that i died, but why/how i died)

[Sunbae]

Talk about why it seems more town indicative for you if you could

And ya it'd help me.

Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

[EnderWiggin]

Soon you'll be the Ad-visor

[EnderWiggin]

Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

Vibing.

[Visor]

Because there's just ... nothing despite the way a Mischief/Lan wolf team would absolutely require something with how day 1 played out. Mischief and Lan were both rather vocal points of the thread a different parts of the day and received a decent amount of pressure. Rask and Dya went at Lan. Lan went at you and Ephemeral. Mischief went after Rask and you. You, Rask, and Taffy went at Mischief. If that's the wolf team how can they never defend each other or start to press each other? They are never, ever sweeping here with that day 1 pressure on both in a vig game and need to do * something *. I can see arguments if they started defending each other: they were under so much pressure they needed to try and sway consensus away. I can see arguments if they had pointed discussions with each other: they needed to look good once one flipped. They have nothing. At no point did they try to help, did they try to distance, did they have any foresight into future days. If that's the team, what are they doing?

surviving, i guess.

im wary because wolves have to interact with villagers extensively because thats how they progress in the game, and there just seems to be zero real consideration from either side of each other

[Sunbae]

it was nearly a 4th quarter collapse for the ages, that f5 really bugs me lol, one of these days ill write an article over why it was so bad :P (not that i died, but why/how i died)

I'll make you a deal. You write that one and I'll finally get the villaging in a mash one in the books too

[Visor]

as an aside, im just not feeeeeeling solving from mischief in terms of investigative stuff

like he defends himself from me, but hes not exploring where he wants to kill etc

[Visor]

I'll make you a deal. You write that one and I'll finally get the villaging in a mash one in the books too

lmao i have an ego, but not that big, id never actually write that article :P

i may update my turbo article tho

[Visor]

i will prob vote insomnia fwiw, im not gonna hold the thread hostage for the mischief kill lol

[EnderWiggin]

Ender: If it's not insomnia I think it has to be here. I wish I had some like, big things to point towards but I don't. It's pure poe at this point but I don't think it's reasonable to have big things for EnderWolf anyways. This is a shitty blurb on him, I know. I'm tired. I'm hoping it doesn't matter. If it does I'll do my due diligence.

If it helps, I do like it when people say they don't have big things to find on me. =P

[Sunbae]

lmao i have an ego, but not that big, id never actually write that article :P

i may update my turbo article tho

You just gotta frame it as "how to find the lone wolf in end game and not succumb to information overload or paranoia". It's all about the marketing.

Acting like my "how to mash as a villager" article aint gonna be me talking about getting chopped as a 200 poster against the 4 poster in final 5. We all know it is lol

[EnderWiggin]

200 posts of pure wolfish intent to be sure.

[Raskolnikov]

Ill vig Ender tonight. Just assume it is done