Casual december game

[hollowkatt]

I wish to neither pocket nor buddy but specifically holla at HollowKatt and say, lettuce neighbor.

Not a claim. Not a masonry. Two people of unknown alignment working closely together for a solve this game.

Why?

Because I'd like to try that at least once before I die IRL with you. You are an interesting person and I have yet to town-town with you once IIRC?

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

[Ampharos]

Vote: Logic

[Montmorency]

The wolf team had a plan, and he was like: no.

And it worked. And the rest of the team got dunked because their wolf plan was a very very very readable wolf plan. They all died for that wolf plan.

It's much more a Pizza-specific fact pattern. Namely, we showed you the plan, you utterly destroyed it within 5 hours of game start, inarguably so - believe me, I tried to argue the case - so I scurried away while...

It was like if Mace Windu and the Masters confronted Palpatine, but with Anakin Skywalker on their side. Palpatine was got dead to rights, nothing for him to do but go out sword a-blazing, but Count Dooku fucked off to the Outer Rim because discretion is the better part of valor. The other apprentices didn't have to stay to confront the Jedi Council out of solidarity, with predictable results. If that makes sense to you.

I could afford to be a towny SK in my one SK game because, well, because it was Old Gameroom, but also because I had NK invulnerability.

But for the past 5 years I haven't even been able to reach 'average' as town unless I can make it to mid-game without a strong theory of the game.

But I should already be someone people have an opinion on, a real one, which means RVS can be mercifully done and over with as soon as people cold read me.

You erect these sorts of tiered defensive perimeters and full-spectrum slot reads as any alignment. You love confusing and overwhelming the player base with connections because it works just as well on Mafia as on Town. And you're always improving your game, so AFAIK your scum games used to be more endgame heavy but now your town games probably match them. I haven't caught you red-handed in 9 years, and if I've found you as town-town it was most likely when you were in the process of being wagoned by scum (which you could no longer allow to happen anymore). Even before MU you warned that you're not a good D1 read, and all the less so by now surely.

[Askthepizzaguy]

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

[Ampharos]

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

posts dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

[hollowkatt]

Excellent.

I know exactly which post(s) you're comparing this opening to.

I believe you believe that.

I can keep you null, in some sort of townie/null quantum state. Let's call it a "Not Wolfread".

if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you had me at anything other than null I'd have called you a wolf with TMI.

I grant townreads on gut this early because box in the wolves, 2+2 turbo golden sweep style and have actually had success in so doing five times since September on day 1 or first day of play if it wasn't day 1.

So, not TMI, but gut that's actually getting better at early snapreads. Better meaning above rand, which... wow, thats a huge improvement because my gut is connected to my ass for a reason.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

They're the same. My gut is ass, and usually produces poopy reads this early.

[hollowkatt]

I grant townreads on gut this early because box in the wolves, 2+2 turbo golden sweep style and have actually had success in so doing five times since September on day 1 or first day of play if it wasn't day 1.

So, not TMI, but gut that's actually getting better at early snapreads. Better meaning above rand, which... wow, thats a huge improvement because my gut is connected to my ass for a reason.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

They're the same. My gut is ass, and usually produces poopy reads this early.

humans are one singular tube surrounded by appendages and an electrically charged meat jello that thinks it can think.

[Askthepizzaguy]

sure why not

the only semi-solid read I currently have is you're weird and I'm not sure if I trust you. I remember you opening weirdly in a mash maybe it was and you flipped wolf and this opening reminded me of that opening, which is why I voted for you.

You don't believe in towntells, I stopped believing in dumbtells and derpclears.

I am also open to discussing who you think is town, when you have townreads.

I will null every townread I have publicly and leave probably only Cape90 as town today, as a policy.

If I am to be yeeted I will out all my townreads at once and explain why and also tell people not to blindly sheep it.

If I am to be murdered it is because wolves think I can solve it or I have partially solved it and it is not something you should read me for spew to sheep.

If I have something I do want sheeped I will say so publicly in a very easy to understand manner and people can flat out ignore that request and solve it their own selves based on superior data from later rounds.

If all of those policies pass your okayness bar, lettuce hunt werewolves.

If you suspect me keep two lists, one where pizza is town, and devote some time to solving in that world. Any amount will do, just believe it can happen.

[EnderWiggin]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

[EnderWiggin]

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

I actually probably should collate reasons more I'm just baffled by how it changes game to game.

And yes usually by villagers with some wolves mixed in.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I actually probably should collate reasons more I'm just baffled by how it changes game to game.

And yes usually by villagers with some wolves mixed in.

I was asking specifically, the people wolf reading you this game.

Name by name, do you think they are town or mafia yet, or do you not have an opinion?

[EnderWiggin]

I was asking specifically, the people wolf reading you this game.

Name by name, do you think they are town or mafia yet, or do you not have an opinion?

Taffy/Monty = NAI or towny, unsure yet
Pizza = I have thoughts about this response but it's NAI broadly
Logic = wolfy (If I'm right on this then Monty is 100% town because the tell is how Logic "Piggybacked" off the read to push me.)

[EnderWiggin]

For Monty I think the piggyback and the response is broadly a towny response.

Taffy I think doesn't treat me like this as wolf but that's much weaker and pending further posts.

Hence why both are in the Towny/NAI bracket and no one is Towny with no NAI

[luvs2spooge]

I actually probably should collate reasons more I'm just baffled by how it changes game to game.

And yes usually by villagers with some wolves mixed in.

Remind me to give you insight into this in postgame.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is it about how I post that gets me wolfread every other game.

I swear I flip a coin at gamestart and no matter how I'm trying to post I get a bunch of early wolfreads or townreads and I don't feel like I'm posting any different.

And it's not alignment reliant because it's happened both ways as either alignment.

Are the people wolf reading you villagers?

If so, why.

The reason I asked this question is the complaint comes from a person who either believes or knows all of those people are wolves.

Because there was no villagery vigilance here. Just talking about them like EnderWiggin knows they are town.

And the answer to my query did not, in fact, enlighten me as to how he arrived at this conclusion in bold red.

[Vulgard]

The reason I asked this question is the complaint comes from a person who either believes or knows all of those people are wolves.

Because there was no villagery vigilance here. Just talking about them like EnderWiggin knows they are town.

And the answer to my query did not, in fact, enlighten me as to how he arrived at this conclusion in bold red.

I frankly don't like this line of thinking very much from you.

[Vulgard]

I frankly don't like this line of thinking very much from you.

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

[EnderWiggin]

The reason I asked this question is the complaint comes from a person who either believes or knows all of those people are wolves.

Because there was no villagery vigilance here. Just talking about them like EnderWiggin knows they are town.

And the answer to my query did not, in fact, enlighten me as to how he arrived at this conclusion in bold red.

To go back to this for anyone keeping track of the game:

I assumed that wolves wouldn't pile onto me wholesale. So I assumed that having a small volume of people wolfreading me over my deliberate faux pas was filled with majority town.

I still maintain that I think 3/4 of it was town at least.

[hollowkatt]

You don't believe in towntells, I stopped believing in dumbtells and derpclears.

I am also open to discussing who you think is town, when you have townreads.

I will null every townread I have publicly and leave probably only Cape90 as town today, as a policy.

If I am to be yeeted I will out all my townreads at once and explain why and also tell people not to blindly sheep it.

If I am to be murdered it is because wolves think I can solve it or I have partially solved it and it is not something you should read me for spew to sheep.

If I have something I do want sheeped I will say so publicly in a very easy to understand manner and people can flat out ignore that request and solve it their own selves based on superior data from later rounds.

If all of those policies pass your okayness bar, lettuce hunt werewolves.

If you suspect me keep two lists, one where pizza is town, and devote some time to solving in that world. Any amount will do, just believe it can happen.

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

I'm where you're at on towntells on other things I am starting to believe only correlated with success, like derpclears.

Lilypetal smoked me in the Kingmaker because she derpcleared very very very convincingly.

That was the last straw. It's a broken process and it's gone. Never again.

[EnderWiggin]

none of this doesn't make sense so sure.

I'll share my town reads if/when I arrive at them, there's a slight niggling of something on Ender I think is positive but I'm sitting on that for the time being.
I don't believe in towntells because I think any wolf worth their salt can towntell, like you said in 189 only replace derp/dumb with town or wolf at your leisure.

Hey HK did you ever explain what this niggle was on me?

[hollowkatt]

Hey HK did you ever explain what this niggle was on me?

I didn't!
but I will, brb

[hollowkatt]

I didn't!
but I will, brb

I hate this site some times. I know it was early early in the game but no search allows me to see more than 100 posts for a player in a thread. halp plx

[EnderWiggin]

I hate this site some times. I know it was early early in the game but no search allows me to see more than 100 posts for a player in a thread. halp plx

Control + F is your friend.

Yes ISOs suck here. =P

[Totally not Taffy]

I hate this site some times. I know it was early early in the game but no search allows me to see more than 100 posts for a player in a thread. halp plx

If you know specific words you used in the post that aren't too common you can use the "search thread" function.

Has Taffy pushed anyone hard in your opinion?

I realise this question wasn't aimed at me, but I'm more likely to push hard when I'm playing with people I know better because my reads are more confident then.

I have no idea whether hk and boq are paired, that's not really what I was pointing out. Out of everything that hk's been accused of this game, that seemed to annoy them.

Also no idea what chainsaw means. If it's that the Renata post is a mess, then yeah. My main point on Renata is that, both EoDs look like someone who's concerned with how they're gonna be viewed in the aftermath of it all. If people don't see that, then I'm most likely wrong and Renata is just town.

A chainsaw defense is when a town votes/makes a case against a wolf and then another wolf votes/makes a case against that town. What I'm saying is that it looked to me like you were casing Renata because you're wolves with HK. It's obviously a weak read and based on preflipping HK, and it's now no longer valid anyway.

Vote: Dyachei

I think this I believe more than Amy.

I kinda like Renata a lot but I am noting things.

Boq is just town.

Monty is not w/w with Dyachei but if Dya is town then Monty is definitely someone I'd sus.

Revision of thoughts to happen in the morning.

I'm now collapsing now that I've done a quick check through all of game thread for Ladd interactions

I probably just missed it Ender but what was that based on?

No more Pizzagesis. I'm interpreting his death as a WOG.

Sirs.

What is a WOG?

yea
amy is my biggest wolf read but I respect Dya's tone reads tbh. There are several examples where they have been correct and I have been wrong. Hence why I have decided that Dya and Amy are always the same alignment tbh

Sorry for coming back to this after others already have, but I, too, don't think this is necessarily valid for the same reason I didn't think Logic's main reason for scumreading Visor made sense - if you are good at reading someone and others in the game know this, you let your wolfmates push them while you yourself make the correct read imo.