Casual december game

[hollowkatt]

I could see Vulgard, Enderwiggin (blade) and Visor based on the wagon comp.

They are not his bottom three, but there's reasons for me to discount two of his bottom four and I'm the third, and he clearly doesn't know a town PR when he sees one claim repeatedly.

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum. I have no other basis to townread Ladd at the moment, but I have reading to do so I can get there.

Taffy seems okay from what I saw of day one, but I will look again.

If Vulgard is town the reason for the kill is almost certainly that it was a PR hunt, because his reads were therefore not scary.

[hollowkatt]

Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum. I have no other basis to townread Ladd at the moment, but I have reading to do so I can get there.

Taffy seems okay from what I saw of day one, but I will look again.

If Vulgard is town the reason for the kill is almost certainly that it was a PR hunt, because his reads were therefore not scary.

if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection

Catching up now that I have gotten a full night's rest.

Basically, if it was not a PR hunt, then killing one guy voting for Ladd because Ladd is afraid he will find him is like...

Not a thing that happens.

It's more like a PR hunt always, and if it was just a kill to kill someone, then Ladd should be innocent because the kill "implicates" Ladd on a level zero level.

It is null as a PR hunt, if it wasn't then I think it's less likely Ladd is scum because it's antispew as a decision, to implicate Ladd.

You pick someone who, if town decides to think like it's their first game ever, tries to yeet a townie, not a wolf.

But its more like a PR hunt.

Someone who sussed me even though i claimed a PR, leads them to think he's a PR a lot, and they're wrong.

[Renata]

if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection

First comment was "Particularly I do not believe that kill happens when ladd is scum."

This does look good for HK.

[Renata]

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.

Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.

[hollowkatt]

They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.

Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.

if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.

I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.

[Renata]

if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.

I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.

It usually seems to work the other way. Gone is forgotten.

[dyachei]

I feel like you're missing your village aggressiveness. I don't think you've really pushed your reads that much this game

[hollowkatt]

I feel like you're missing your village aggressiveness. I don't think you've really pushed your reads that much this game

that's correct I haven't really pushed my reads much.
as far as being less aggressive I'm trying to find that line between aggression and antagonism.

[dyachei]

that's correct I haven't really pushed my reads much.
as far as being less aggressive I'm trying to find that line between aggression and antagonism.

So you can understand my concerns about you

[hollowkatt]

It usually seems to work the other way. Gone is forgotten.

except that here it is not and the reason is that we're all highly skilled players who aren't going to forget about the recently dead. Come 3-4 days from now if we're still playing then sure but I don't know of anyone who would ignore the most recent NK reads list.

[Totally not Taffy]

well yeah logic is dead town, you're obvs not going to say you're a wolf, and that leaves vulgard and taffy. Neither of which I'm remembering well or impressed by (which I guess is saying functionally the same thing)

Ender/Visor is a spicy solve and I could see that. I guess the big question is with a player list this stacked why did luv die first?
I don't feel like it's a fear kill, luv was an alt of someone that knows a lot of us and I don't particularly care who they are under the mask, but if someone did know it could turn into a fear kill.

Their reads list doesn't seem like a reason to die. could just be a weird kill to throw off the scent as well as getting rid of someone they were unlikely to get chopped during the day.

Given that even I have both of them in PoE I do not agree that there's anything spicy about that solve. I think the bolded is very sketchy reasoning, just because it doesn't matter to you who Spooge was doesn't mean it didn't matter to the wolves (unless you're one of them). And it's not a fear kill but it might have been? That's waffly.

From my perspective, one of the most remarkable things about Spooge's reads list is that he had you as a top town, and even had called you obviously so. This is part of the reason you gave for voting him, you didn't feel you had done anything that warranted that. Great. But now you're explicitly not mentioning the option that wolves killed Spooge so it would be easier to push you today? When you were very much aware or his read and several people are scumreading you? That doesn't look town to me.

Renata even very helpfully sets you up for it (I hope I got these in the right order):

They did feel extremely obv town to me, but based on thread tone that doesn't seem to have been a wide-spread feeling. Not in writing anyway.

Please specify why you think their reads list wasn't a reason to die.

if he was right locking those reads into place with people who, if town, are smart enough to start with the list and start pressing then he's worked hard to clear a few people who are chops the wolf team would like to get, and impugned people the wolf team would like to keep safe.

I guess it would have to come down to whether or not the wolf team thinks they could out play his list, or if they kept him alive, outplay him. I tend to think if you have a player who's right, and is hard to eliminate that you want to work to mitigate them not enshrine their reads for perpetuity.

It usually seems to work the other way. Gone is forgotten.

except that here it is not and the reason is that we're all highly skilled players who aren't going to forget about the recently dead. Come 3-4 days from now if we're still playing then sure but I don't know of anyone who would ignore the most recent NK reads list.

Look at how you're both dancing around this conclusion without mentioning it outright. To me this looks like wolves killed the player hard townreading one of them and are now hoping town will sheep that read.


Vote: Hollowkatt

I do not believe in antagonising my scumreads, you are a great person who I would love to play with again in the future.

[hollowkatt]

Given that even I have both of them in PoE I do not agree that there's anything spicy about that solve. I think the bolded is very sketchy reasoning, just because it doesn't matter to you who Spooge was doesn't mean it didn't matter to the wolves (unless you're one of them). And it's not a fear kill but it might have been? That's waffly.

From my perspective, one of the most remarkable things about Spooge's reads list is that he had you as a top town, and even had called you obviously so. This is part of the reason you gave for voting him, you didn't feel you had done anything that warranted that. Great. But now you're explicitly not mentioning the option that wolves killed Spooge so it would be easier to push you today? When you were very much aware or his read and several people are scumreading you? That doesn't look town to me.

Renata even very helpfully sets you up for it (I hope I got these in the right order):






Look at how you're both dancing around this conclusion without mentioning it outright. To me this looks like wolves killed the player hard townreading one of them and are now hoping town will sheep that read.


Vote: Hollowkatt

I do not believe in antagonising my scumreads, you are a great person who I would love to play with again in the future.

nothing you've written here makes any sense at all and is ascribing several positions to me that I clearly did not take, nor did I ever hint, intimate, or otherwise allude to "luv was killed to make me look bad" like wtf?

you're not antagonizing me you're just not making sense.

[hollowkatt]

I'm still catching up from the over night posts but I saw that one on "current page" and wanted to call it out as being bs

[Totally not Taffy]

nothing you've written here makes any sense at all and is ascribing several positions to me that I clearly did not take, nor did I ever hint, intimate, or otherwise allude to "luv was killed to make me look bad" like wtf?

you're not antagonizing me you're just not making sense.

Do you want me to try to explain it better or shall we leave it here?

[Visor]

Oh you're a desperado

Don't shoot vulgard

[Askthepizzaguy]

Legacy reads are, unfortunately, the same as before. I ran out of time to pore through everyone for stuff that could make them town.

I just dont have the time this game to do that kind of dive. Not during dinner, or putting kids to sleep, or writing flavor, or sleepin.

Legacy reads are outdated. Consider them all null if I am dead.

Do not sheep, use your own solving brain.

[Visor]

Shoot Amy or someone getting a lot of heat

Idk someone we need actively cleared

Ender, Amy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unless Vulgard is mech clear, he is dead when I pull the trigger.

Speak up.

[hollowkatt]

Do you want me to try to explain it better or shall we leave it here?

I would love nothing more than to remain in the dark as to how you arrived at the conclusions that you arrived at.
Unfortunately due diligence requires me to ask you for clarification