Casual december game

[Renata]

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

[dyachei]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

why not?

[Renata]

why not?

Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"

Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.

[dyachei]

Seriously? "You're a faker, so you're probably town?"

Are you reading this as more of the appeal to emotion about how bad he is as a towny? Because I don't think I entirely buy that either. And I say that as somebody who has absolutely sucked as a towny since I got back to playing. It's kind of a lot, and kind of dominating everything else about him.

I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town

[Renata]

I read it more like I tend to be wrong on this type of read so you're probably town

Realized that halfway through my response, yeah. If you're right, we're back at the AtE which I don't think is very productive. See my other comment though. It was somewhere in response to Pizza's 297.

[Visor]

Hardclaim survivor

Btw

[dyachei]

Hardclaim survivor

Btw

i see

[Renata]

Hardclaim survivor

Btw

lulz
@Montmorency What was your thought process that made you ask Pizza if I might be being coached?

[hollowkatt]

Hardclaim survivor

Btw

I'm obligated to vote you now
vote: visor

[dyachei]

Realized that halfway through my response, yeah. If you're right, we're back at the AtE which I don't think is very productive. See my other comment though. It was somewhere in response to Pizza's 297.

i guess I dont expect everyone to always be productive with every post?

[Renata]

i guess I dont expect everyone to always be productive with every post?

Productive to talk about, I mean.

[Cape90]

why not?

the thing about it is I just do not get how faking reads is something that can be interpreted as towny from a town's perspective. I have never seen it

[Askthepizzaguy]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

Yep.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.

I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.

[Vulgard]

Vulgard I need you to present to me your solve so far before midday, with as much explanation as you can muster from reassessing after both flips.

I do not see day three, so this has to be done today.

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

[Vulgard]

Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).

[Vulgard]

Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.

But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.

[Vulgard]

Pizza, you have alluded to having a guide on mafia as well as "published" scumtells. Can I have access to those? I need to verify if what you're doing matches that stuff.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.

But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.

Even on your biggest and most incorrect "belief" based on absolutely nothing you still hedge.

You can be the yeet today if I hit someone else and blow them up instead, as my legacy read.

Either way you do not see day three. You're all done, from my perspective.

[Renata]

Visor and Csargo are unaligned from Visor trying to claim masons with Csargo and Csargo quickly dismissing the idea. He did initially react to it with a emoji but once questioned he didn't attempt to keep it up. I feel like if wolves were to claim masons it'd most often be them genuinely trying to fakeclaim it instead of joking about it and Csargo's denial of the claim makes me believe it wasn't pre-planned and therefore not a W/W move (claims from wolves are almost always pre-planned).

I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?

[Vulgard]

I feel like this is inaccurate generally and between Visor and Csargo specifically. They’re both in my poe. Can you point to what you think makes Csargo towny?

I generally liked his posts on day 1.

I agree this is a bad reason and I am concerned I am townreading one, possibly multiple wolves who have townread me. I also found the way Csargo denied being masons with Visor a bit awkward.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

Between the no reason positioning on certain people, level zero thoughts, townreading people who townread you, in a cluster, without individually elaborating on why, while also hedging on that position, the fact that your iso reads just like your most recent wolf iso in terms of depth of thoughts and solving processes (none), "Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised." which are thoughts that take several positions at once and contains no actual belief system, oodles of scumtells throughout your iso, and my strong wolf read of you on day one followed by no interest in killing you and a strong desire from many to hit between Ender and Logic, one of which is town, and the other is more villagery than you,

I am probably going to select you as one of the people who die today.

I will continue to interact with you as if you are town and ask you more questions and have you actually substantiate why you believe anything, or more to the point, why you are taking positions without any process behind believing it and or visibly not believing in it at all.

This is intended to prevent a bad death today.

This is me trying to protect you from your own wolfy behavior if you're town.

While you're going WHAT IF I DONT THINK YOURE A VILLAGER AT ALL

Well you're about to find out how villagery I am. As soon as I bold your name in red and say detonate, you die.

[Vulgard]

This is me trying to protect you from your own wolfy behavior if you're town.

You're the only person who thinks I'm super wolfy, Pizza.

While you're going WHAT IF I DONT THINK YOURE A VILLAGER AT ALL

Well you're about to find out how villagery I am. As soon as I bold your name in red and say detonate, you die.

Least egotistical mafia player.

I know this is an attack on character rather than anything productive, but come on. You're being ridiculous regardless of your alignment here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're the only person who thinks I'm super wolfy, Pizza.

No, because several others have named you today and said I was the top solver on day one when you were my top suspect and the dead guy also thinks you're a wolf.

[QUOTE=luvs2spooge;2053837016]

Town

Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos

Little Bit Towny

Mont
Blade
Dya
Ladd

Meh

Visor


Sorta Wolfy

Taffy
Boq
Kage

Quite Wolfy

Logic
Pizza
Vulgard

I again have read all the posts, and these are my reads. Goodbye.

You're spending your time trying to gaslight me rather than show me why you believe your own solve.

At this point I'm losing my ability to care about you being a miss if I explode.

Call me egotistical instead of solving, see how that kind of wolfy dark side tactic works out for you.

[hollowkatt]

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

I don't think any wolf team takes a shot at pizza last night because nobody knows if a doctor exists. doctor, if you exist, shut the fuck up no you don't

anyways, back to my train of thought. If you're a wolf the best play last night is assume there is some kind of protect and assume that protection is on pizza, then go from there. Tonight I expect pizza to die, so does pizza

[Vulgard]

Yep.

Well well well, you both are going to be surprised if you're town. More and more people will find out that I actively change the way I think about my reads to account for tunneling town.

[Renata]

There was something else too (about Vulgard), it was earlier and I'm not going back to looking for it. But Ender did some kind of pocket joke. Vulgard first responded to it in a way that I thought was acknowledging the joke, but when Pizza challenged him on that in a way that I originally thought was taking the whole thing too seriously, Vulgard goes and calls it a reaction test, which is just . no. I don't believe that it was.

[Cape90]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

This is a good point out tbh

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is a good point out tbh

Hey how about that.

[Vulgard]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

I feel like I should go back to some of my previous games and show you examples of me having very similar thoughts as town.