Casual december game

[Vulgard]

Is this the arc where Vulgard gives up on townreading me and then I really have started by townreading all the people who suss me eventually.

You're just being fishy right now, though we agree on Montmorency.

[EnderWiggin]

You're just being fishy right now, though we agree on Montmorency.

Lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Would you get back in my pocket if I join you on Monty? =P

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on your first comment there I'd appreciate it because I'm not seeing how you make that connection

Catching up now that I have gotten a full night's rest.

Basically, if it was not a PR hunt, then killing one guy voting for Ladd because Ladd is afraid he will find him is like...

Not a thing that happens.

It's more like a PR hunt always, and if it was just a kill to kill someone, then Ladd should be innocent because the kill "implicates" Ladd on a level zero level.

It is null as a PR hunt, if it wasn't then I think it's less likely Ladd is scum because it's antispew as a decision, to implicate Ladd.

You pick someone who, if town decides to think like it's their first game ever, tries to yeet a townie, not a wolf.

But its more like a PR hunt.

Someone who sussed me even though i claimed a PR, leads them to think he's a PR a lot, and they're wrong.

[Vulgard]

Would you get back in my pocket if I join you on Monty? =P

No comment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: dya

Yeah that's what I call "hurdling"

Just the bare minimum effort to answer a question.

Why is Vulgard villagery? Oh, because he's been so villagery.

That is not even hurdling at that point, it's tripping over the hurdle.

Wolves see town solving questions as obstacles. I can link you an endgame where the townie answered my questions in detail, enlightening me as to the full depth of his thoughts, while the wolf just gave me a couple liners at most, directly responding to the question but just acting like these questions were challenges that needed to be met, at the bare minimum.

By contrast the villager was more like pole vaulting over the hurdles. Just exceeding the minimums.

Dya's response here is wolfy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza reason for trying to kill Ampharos EoD please.

Did you not see me suss Ampharos all day?

Generally villagers try to yeet their suspects.

But a large enough flashwagon killed Logic that voting blade or amy wouldn't have mattered, and both were suspects of mine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You, mostly agreed with you woof leans, except vulgard.

Currently Taffy's look very similar to where I'm at now

3. Bad opening, continuous pressure leads to more negative opinions/responses and no optically worse candidate, something along those lines. Probably people wanting to save ender/ampharos as well

4. everyone but vulgard, cape, taffy, maybe visor. I don't get visor currently

Wow look at that

Cooperating with the investigation and giving me a whole three or four minutes of his time.

Thanks Csargo. You are already ahead of almost everyone else so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hardclaim Masons with csargo

So you can take that feather out of your cap bronanas

(The other post was just a joke for @Winston Hughes)

Not really.

But I can accept Csargo as villagery.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will wait until you have had sleep but this is not a great post imo.

Besides being villagery because she doesn't know my alignment (you get one of those, no one else emulating it will)

What makes it not a great post, considering she has two of your same suspects?

[Vulgard]

Besides being villagery because she doesn't know my alignment (you get one of those, no one else emulating it will)

What makes it not a great post, considering she has two of your same suspects?

That post doesn't even mention you. How is it villagery "because she doesn't know your alignment?"

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am very unfamiliar with Renata so it would be helpful to know more. I know you suspect them but I felt it was out of POE since they were here last minute basically. Has your read changed? Did you have a more deep reason for suspecting the slot?

I currently think she is a villager who doesn't know what she's doing as there hasn't been any useful info so she's grasping at a lot of names she doesn't trust and doesn't have a reason to make a big towncore because that's not her style even though that is the current meta for MU players is building big towncores.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is a good point out tbh

Hey how about that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This was Vulgard's worst post IMO. There's no way this chain of thought is real.

Yeah this is Renata pointing out Vulgard is a wolf, because Vulgard wrote something a townie never writes and said it like it was a sincere thing.

[Vulgard]

That post doesn't even mention you. How is it villagery "because she doesn't know your alignment?"

Never mind, it does mention you, but it just throws you and a list of like 4 other people into a group of suspects that are a sheep of spooge, the dead villager. How does this make her town specifically for the read on you?

[Vulgard]

Yeah this is Renata pointing out Vulgard is a wolf, because Vulgard wrote something a townie never writes and said it like it was a sincere thing.

Want to see a quote from me where I wrote something extremely similar as town?

You seem to have an extremely binary perspective on the game of mafia, good player or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

it is

There was no basis for Visor doing it, and I already need doc protection if I succeed, so it was fake as soon as I saw it and your response was not a confirmation.

Visor is not doing much solving today and I'm inclined to want him dead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

if you're a wolf at least one partner is in the Kage/Ladd/Dya bucket

I also don't think clearing csargo/visor via claims is a good idea but I understand your logic behind doing it.
Why do you want to town read vulgard and why did you phrase it the way you did?

Dya Visor Vulgard Ender with a side bit of Amy sus I can't let go of rn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you open this comment with saying it's underwhelming? How is a spattered reads list that I threw together to note my current state when I clearly had already said I was low on time make you think it's supposed to blow your socks off?

Pizza asked to be treated clear for 24 hours and then he would claim. I am agreeing to that. You don't have to. That invalidates your note there tho.

Renata D1 specifically did towny.

So Monty/HK are your partners? Good to know.

(Please tell me I'm not the only one that read this post and frowned.)

How about you put some real effort into your solve as if you want to convince anyone at all that your solve is one you believe

For your whole day one you played with some level of confidence. To enter day two and suddenly have less confidence instead of more, doesn't make sense.

Don't you have MORE information now than you did on day one?

Don't you have a smaller pool of suspects?

As the counterwagon, you have a unique insight as to what the wolves probably did. I don't see you aggressively pursuing any suspect.

[Vulgard]

Dya Visor Vulgard Ender with a side bit of Amy sus I can't let go of rn.

Anything on Kagemusha?

[EnderWiggin]

How about you put some real effort into your solve as if you want to convince anyone at all that your solve is one you believe

For your whole day one you played with some level of confidence. To enter day two and suddenly have less confidence instead of more, doesn't make sense.

Don't you have MORE information now than you did on day one?

Don't you have a smaller pool of suspects?

As the counterwagon, you have a unique insight as to what the wolves probably did. I don't see you aggressively pursuing any suspect.

It's almost like I confidently lead town to yeet...

A town.

Lmao.

I'm tiredly reading along but I couldn't let this go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Light TL
Csargo. Prefers romantic to fraternal relationships.
HK

Null
Cape: I need to evaluate his well-regarded D1 contributions, but for now high-null.
Ladd & dyachei have rolled mafia in Org games I've - many of us have - played in. I don't remember any meta. Null.
Taffy & Boquise: no idea. Null.
Kage: Pure null.
Vulgard: Sheeping Luv and Pizza on him to low-null.

Light SL
Amp
Renata
Visor [pending mason claim clarification]
Ender

Special
ATPG. Is your PR to suicide-bomb 3 of us? That would be a suitably-holy mission.

Yes villager Monty, I explode today and kill others.

You being the last person to figure it out makes you town.

[EnderWiggin]

Also that period was literally me checking in while doing work. Idk whatcha want from me. I shouldn't even be up now but here we are.

[Vulgard]

Yes villager Monty, I explode today and kill others.

You being the last person to figure it out makes you town.

???

[had to write more than ? because 3 character lower limit]

[EnderWiggin]

I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.

[Vulgard]

I feel like I'm in a weird world where Pizza's solving makes no sense to me. This isn't normally how it goes.

It makes no sense to me either, but I don't have any previous experiences to draw from.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What if I don't think you're town?

Then for some reason you are incapable of being a villager with me, and I will remove you from play.

I'm realizing I'm townreading people who are townreading me, those being Csargo, dyachei and Taffy. I feel like Taffy is the towniest of the three, and I also know that wolves often townread me when I'm the thread's wolfread, so I'm thinking I might be wrong on one of Csargo/dyachei (hopefully not both).

Between Ender/Amy I actually townread Ender more on day 1. I think that's still true today when I give it some consideration. But Ender is also one of the people who have townread me, so I might be biased, I suppose.
@EnderWiggin How have Renata and Amy towntold?



That's not the process, the process is "I think this about you right now but I have a feeling I'm wrong so I'll just reverse the read.

I think Monty might be a wolf. His posts look good on the surface level, but I don't have a townread on him, and I think if I'm right about Ender being V, his shifting between Amy and Ender was wolf posturing. I can't think of any reads he has proven to believe and which he has pushed.

Vote: Montmorency

Just like your wolf game, you give your positions on people being town or scum and you go I actually think this.

Great, if you did you could demonstrate why.

Your solve is all paper thin surface level "If I am right on this read I have no reasoning on, then this other person whose posts look good are a wolf."

That's not how villagers do.

[Vulgard]

Then for some reason you are incapable of being a villager with me, and I will remove you from play.

Wait, so if I don't townread you I am automatically scum? It looks like that's what you're saying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

Between the no reason positioning on certain people, level zero thoughts, townreading people who townread you, in a cluster, without individually elaborating on why, while also hedging on that position, the fact that your iso reads just like your most recent wolf iso in terms of depth of thoughts and solving processes (none), "Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised." which are thoughts that take several positions at once and contains no actual belief system, oodles of scumtells throughout your iso, and my strong wolf read of you on day one followed by no interest in killing you and a strong desire from many to hit between Ender and Logic, one of which is town, and the other is more villagery than you,

I am probably going to select you as one of the people who die today.

I will continue to interact with you as if you are town and ask you more questions and have you actually substantiate why you believe anything, or more to the point, why you are taking positions without any process behind believing it and or visibly not believing in it at all.

This is intended to prevent a bad death today.

This is me trying to protect you from your own wolfy behavior if you're town.

While you're going WHAT IF I DONT THINK YOURE A VILLAGER AT ALL

Well you're about to find out how villagery I am. As soon as I bold your name in red and say detonate, you die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Noting that, based on what I've seen of Pizza's wolfreads, I disagree with him on almost all of them. And I've also thought he was a wolf for quite a while. And he isn't dead right now. Yes, he claimed he wanted to be healed or whatever, that is a factor.

But I also know that when I convince myself on a read like this, I'm typically wrong. So.

Even on your biggest and most incorrect "belief" based on absolutely nothing you still hedge.

You can be the yeet today if I hit someone else and blow them up instead, as my legacy read.

Either way you do not see day three. You're all done, from my perspective.