Casual december game

[Visor]

also logic said he was a wolf

Why does that matter lmao

[Visor]

He caught this:



An inconsistency in Pizza's claimed worldview. Which to me says he's not just trying to appear engaged with the thread, he actually is engaged with it. I'll grant that that is the only such question I could find.

I don't get it, that question is kinda meaningless

[Boquise]

@Boquise: which post?

It was basically something born out of these three posts (with the last one being the breaking point):

Ok. Let us see. I have not played mafia for i don?t remember how many years and some of you i i know, most i do not.So far i dont get much wolfines from the thread. The only thing really poking my eye is why Monty ignores to answer Taffy?s question about roles and knowledge, maybe you just missed it? What town needs is more talk from more people. More the merrier, so maybe poke some action? Vote: Csargo How are you old buddy?

I hope you brought your rope and pitchfork with you. Certain amount of bloodthirst is in order to flush mafia out. But let us talk first and start hanging in a bit: Vote: Renata How has the world treated you all these years we have not played mafia together?

I dont have anything to point my finger into yet. Hope more people would chip in and talk.

There is a lot of talk about "lets talk" "lets get this started" etc. but at the point Kagemusha wrote the third quoted post here, I believe that there should be something to say. People had chipped in.

But I also voted because I wanted to see how it would affect the thread. Logic was the "obvi wolf" and not screaming for his death with a pitchfork would render scum reads (which they did on me). So an off-shoot vote would probably render some villagery or wolfy responses. I also thought that Kage was lhf so if he is town, perhaps I would be joined in with scum. This didnt happen. Only csargo voted him (naked voted) which was a bit sus, but nothing else really happened. And when Visor wrote how long it was since he played with Kage... I reckoned it was ultimately nai - because at sites like these (small, tight, people know each other) there is an honour in not voting out an old veteran on D1 tbh.
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Hi btw!
Sorry for my absence. Today has been busy smh
Luckily it is Friday tomorrow and tho I will also work a bit, I will have more time to dedicate to the game.

[Renata]

I don't get it, that question is kinda meaningless

It means he's not only drifting along with thread topics, like you said or characterized earlier; he's also doing this. It felt like a moment of towny curiosity the first time I read it.

[Boquise]

Tbh Boquise could just be good at reading me. Last time we played together he found me early as well when I was generally a wolfread.

i am just awesome tbh
in the last two town games I have played (the mafia tournament one and a syndicate one) I was voting wolves correctly and town reading people correctly tbh. My powers are enigmatic for the mind tbh

[dyachei]

Why does that matter lmao

was kind of a joke but I realized Idk how well logic reads you

[Boquise]

Initial focused read of Boquise: Not in my immediate PoE after all, I think they're probably town. Whatever you're seeing @Visor and whatever Spooge saw, I'm not seeing it. The only thing that's maybe a little iffy to me was the vote on Ampharos, how it was so much more explainy than their iso as a whole, but like, the actual content is I think supportable. I can tinfoil it as a protection of Ender-buddy but then I have to assume the criticism of Ender for not doing a proper reaction check is distancing, while himself actually doing a proper reaction check with his own vote on Kage, and blah. Convince me more, I'll leave the iso up.

lol is Visor actually scum reading me tbh

[Boquise]

lol is Visor actually scum reading me tbh

[Visor]

It means he's not only drifting along with thread topics, like you said or characterized earlier; he's also doing this. It felt like a moment of towny curiosity the first time I read it.

Idk man boq ain't a potato

He can post generic solving stuff as a wolf

[Boquise]

alrighty i am done with d1

i think ender is a wolf:

1) his interactions with pizza are a perfect example of how wolves approach a villager they don't want to get a fight into with If you read their interactions, ender is always subtly hinting at pizza that he wants the discussion to be over, despite not really conceding the point

2) i was with him on the logic wolfread to start but then when logic came back and he posted a lot better he just kept going to bury him. it doesnt feel like he is sorting him out he just wanted to kill him iyam. framing his play as "logic wouldnt give himself up like this as a villager" (or something along those lines) is not genuine nor true considering logic was making posts like this:



3) bunch of thoughts that are made to look villagery but actual villagers don't actually have (e.g. the reaction test on the monty vote, the "lets wait 20 hours" obvious wolf) and are made to look performative


if ender is indeed a wolf i think amy has to die 100% and is probably a wolf for this post and eod in general:



they were switching to a logic villa read but once ender became a wagon they had this forced turn aroudn back to voting logic

imo they should have had more doubts on logic being a wolf


same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?

tho idk if visor/amy works together (maybe it does!) and i think amy post above was way worse

and even individually i think amy is wolfy, visor is kinda w/e


my strongest villa reads are cape/vulgard

then pizza/taffy (idk if i mentioned them but i really liked a string of posts they had on..some page. it was v genuine imo)

then i villa lean a bunch of people but i could easily be wrong on them -csargo/monty/dya/boq/HK



i gotta go, will try to read up on d2 tomorrow

i am going to town read ladd now tbh
which means sheeping

vote ender

also, if amy is a wolf it means i was awesome yesterday tbh

[Boquise]

Idk man boq ain't a potato

He can post generic solving stuff as a wolf

my energy levels are quite low tbh

tho if you are scum reading me for being a potato, you are probably town tbh

[Boquise]

agreed

was isoing them earlier and saw something that reminded me of them

that would explain his lol tbh

[Visor]

I just want to say in general calling me not solving is a little silly, I have solved plenty

same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?

I turned around on logic!

[Visor]

Looking forward to this pizza stuff whenever it shows up

[Boquise]

i dont like vulgard's explanation rn

this explanation? @dyachei

Eh, I wasn't trying to AtE, just explain my mindset. I feel like the definition of AtE has been stretched so much it's a massively umbrella term that means a lot of things now, more than it did originally.



Yeah, okay, I should probably just admit it at this point, I made that up so he'd leave me alone. I had no good answer at the time, I just felt like saying the thing but I knew just answering that would be considered wolfy.

I guess me admitting that it was made up is also wolfy but what can I do at this point lol. You're basically locktown for even noticing it anyway so I'm cool with that part.

[Boquise]

I just want to say in general calling me not solving is a little silly, I have solved plenty



I turned around on logic!

who said this to you visor?
i will assault them with a boomerang tbh

[hollowkatt]

Taffy is my top town.

Csargo/dya/Ender/Taffy is a grouping of people who have staunchly townread me. I do townread them indepenedently, but I feel like their reads on me could be biasing me. Possibly a wolf in here but I don't necessarily want to go there; rn I'd say the wolf is between Csargo and Ender.

I think hollowkatt is probably town, particularly for his posting today.

ladd is probably town for his play on d1 being very idgaf yet wagon switching from Logic when I think he could've reasonably stuck there.

Cape maaaaaybe town but I don't actually believe this super strongly, feels =rand.

Kagemusha is hard null and might actually be a wolf given how many others I townread. Renata is also null and I don't know how people have reads on them. Boquise is null as well.

Pizza is... yeah. I kinda think him not dying last night makes him a wolf and I also had suspicions of him on day 1. He's apparently going to claim PR or something but idk if I'm going to believe him.

Amy/Ender probably contains a wolf by gamestate but if they're V/V I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. I don't have a clear independent read on Amy. I kinda think of both of them as gut town but such reads have literally just failed me in a recent game so I shouldn't put too much stock into them maybe, and I didn't have an independent read on Amy.

I'm taking notice of Logic having a hard wolfread on Visor for pushing him in the first place, and Visor trying to do damage control this SOD. Visor is a strong wolflean.

I think Montmorency is a wolf.

Idk if you can parse this at all but this is more or less what I think. It's not a very clear solve and it's probably never going to be.

I don't think any wolf team takes a shot at pizza last night because nobody knows if a doctor exists. doctor, if you exist, shut the fuck up no you don't

anyways, back to my train of thought. If you're a wolf the best play last night is assume there is some kind of protect and assume that protection is on pizza, then go from there. Tonight I expect pizza to die, so does pizza

[Boquise]

also your comment on logic being pretty townie when he had a burst of posts on d1 was a reason why i kept biting on "i am misreading logic he is probably town" so yeh

[Visor]

who said this to you visor?
i will assault them with a boomerang tbh

Everyone tbh lmao

Get em boq

[Renata]

To be clear, I'm not saying he needs to review all his suspects in whatever limited time he has today; I'm talking about showing little interest in Hollowkatt or Monty at all since the start of the game that would explain putting them in a small PoE ahead of anybody else. I could be wrong about that. This game is really hard to review properly.

Actually I'm being dumb here. I shouldn't be the one reviewing this. @EnderWiggin Can you show me whatever progression you have on either Hollowkatt or Monty from day one (or today) that shows there's something more to you putting them in the PoE than simply being out of options?

[Boquise]

Yeah, expected.

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Yeah, I know it sounds ridiculous when you put it like that.

this defeatism is Vulgard being town
The game just yeeted Logic for similar awkward posts prior.
I do not think scum!Vulgard would lie down and "oh woe" as scum here since scum should be aware of the thread atmosphere by now. Plus the passive-aggressiveness. There is no survivability here. This game has punished posts like this before. It is just town.

[Boquise]

Everyone tbh lmao

Get em boq

good thing my weapon of choice is the boomerang then
since everyone means everyone
and assaulting people with boomerangs means that in the end game I will assault myself with a boomerang
fitting, nice and tidy tbh

[Boquise]

i will say: i am not sold on boq being a wolf or even kage being v, a few of kages posts have made me question my read there - but my initial feeling was that boqs push on kage was pretty weak - i expected a little more to it

i agree my push on kage was weak tbh
it was the very nature of it tbh

my new playstyle is to just say who i think is town, vote something i think is minorly scummy, say my feelings regarding top wagons even though I know it will rend me scum reads (because nuanced thought is scummy tbh), sip my alcohol and go to bed tbh

[Boquise]

He caught this:



An inconsistency in Pizza's claimed worldview. Which to me says he's not just trying to appear engaged with the thread, he actually is engaged with it. I'll grant that that is the only such question I could find.

did pizza ever answer my question? @Askthepizzaguy

[Renata]

I aspire to your level of detachment. I'm improving though.

[Boquise]

Also literally no one has even given a glance at my explanation on Boq or thoughts on it, even to tell me I'm wrong, and it's disheartening tbqh

I will get to those thoughts when I have read up unless you wanna copy paste them to me and stuff tbh @EnderWiggin

[Boquise]

I aspire to your level of detachment. I'm improving though.

after an x amount of mafia burnouts and cynically seeing things repeat themselves, this is the end result tbh
you'll get there tbh

[dyachei]

this explanation? @dyachei

yeah that one. it feels like a wolfy walk back

[Boquise]

Ender (3): Renata, Vulgard, Ladd
Boquise (2): Ender, Visor
Visor (1): HK
Dya (1): Pizza
HK (1): Kagemusha

so amy isnt even a wagon at all
fun tbh

[Boquise]

yeah that one. it feels like a wolfy walk back

isnt it a bit too textbook wolfy tho?
Like Vulgard isnt even trying to sound townie there. Just how Logic was textbook wolfy yesterday?