Casual december game

[Renata]

*Boquise* is the one who was talking about Amy/Dyachei linkage, not Monty or "Monty Boquise".

I shouldn't be playing mafia when I'm this exhausted but if I waited to be alert before doing stuff I'd never do it so I'll just apologize for incoherence and move on.

[Montmorency]

Dyach and Vote: Kage look funny today, with tentative anti-pair with HK. Though the converse applies if m-HK.

Taffy still a blind spot.

I am not mech town.

I believe Ladd's push on me should be good light but if you wanna believe he was bussing sure.

How much was he talking up your wagon D1/2 again?

I have in my Mafia career hard-bussed my partners from start to end in maybe one or two games (which has unfairly stamped me with a reputation...). From my understanding of the thread ladd has been on you consistently without even trying to build credit for himself. If that's all accurate I would place you at 90% town.

[EnderWiggin]

No if Logic is town we could wolf Ladd lol.

Oh.

This is why Luvs died.

[EnderWiggin]

On me correctly reading you d1? Like a three, maybe four. I'm not confident at all tbh.

I think vulgard is town. ladd have no idea. ender seems similar to other games, where they've been a woof that I've been in. Ampharos is fine other than the stuff pizza brought up.

Noting this from Csargo.

[EnderWiggin]

enderwiggin

This was my other early wolfread and i dont have time to catch up

Convo with pizza early on felt like he was trying to back off from the fight in a wolfy way without actually conceding the point iyam

I have seen wolves do it a ton of times when they dont want to get in a fight with specific players

This was on D1 when Ladd peeled off Logic.

He never stopped pushing me from here.

[EnderWiggin]

Dyach and Vote: Kage look funny today, with tentative anti-pair with HK. Though the converse applies if m-HK.

Taffy still a blind spot.



How much was he talking up your wagon D1/2 again?

I have in my Mafia career hard-bussed my partners from start to end in maybe one or two games (which has unfairly stamped me with a reputation...). From my understanding of the thread ladd has been on you consistently without even trying to build credit for himself. If that's all accurate I would place you at 90% town.

Forgot to tag you but see my most recent post.

[EnderWiggin]

Logic (4): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Renata
Ender (4): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic
Visor (1): Montmo
HK (1): Taffy
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Boquise: (1): Visor
Ampharos (1): Boquise
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

EOD in 1 hour and half

Just adding to the reasons I think Ladd spews me town.

[Vulgard]

Okay then!

Vote: dyachei

[Vulgard]

Dyachei/Amy/+1, probably.

[Vulgard]

Placing my vote on someone I actually think is more close to how they approach games as scum than as town. Dya's protection is there, and I do think that makes Dya and Amy always the same alignment.

wolf!Dya would not protect town!Amy for too long because Amy is an easy misyeet in that case, and I reckon Dya as a wolf would want to cash in protecting Amy eventually.

I do not think town!Dya would misread wolf!Amy.

Hence both are either wolves or town together tbh.

Yeah.

[Vulgard]

Feel like this is the opportunity to take some momentum back from the wolves.

[Vulgard]

I agree with Ender that we shouldn't kill him rn. Maybe reconsider later but ladd led the wagon on him two days in a row and flipped mafia.

[Vulgard]

Logic (6): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Taffy ,Visor, Renata
Ender (5): Ladd, Csargo, dyachei, Logic, Cape
Ampharos (4): Boquise, Visor, Renata, Montmo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Ladd (1): luv2spooge

Most likely an all-town wagon on Amy right here.

[Vulgard]

Who was the person trying to argue on d2 that there's no way luv was killed for having his vote on ladd when he died?

[EnderWiggin]

alrighty i am done with d1

i think ender is a wolf:

1) his interactions with pizza are a perfect example of how wolves approach a villager they don't want to get a fight into with If you read their interactions, ender is always subtly hinting at pizza that he wants the discussion to be over, despite not really conceding the point

2) i was with him on the logic wolfread to start but then when logic came back and he posted a lot better he just kept going to bury him. it doesnt feel like he is sorting him out he just wanted to kill him iyam. framing his play as "logic wouldnt give himself up like this as a villager" (or something along those lines) is not genuine nor true considering logic was making posts like this:



3) bunch of thoughts that are made to look villagery but actual villagers don't actually have (e.g. the reaction test on the monty vote, the "lets wait 20 hours" obvious wolf) and are made to look performative


if ender is indeed a wolf i think amy has to die 100% and is probably a wolf for this post and eod in general:



they were switching to a logic villa read but once ender became a wagon they had this forced turn aroudn back to voting logic

imo they should have had more doubts on logic being a wolf


same kinda applies to visor, i feel he generally is more paranoid about luches ike the logic one as a villager?

tho idk if visor/amy works together (maybe it does!) and i think amy post above was way worse

and even individually i think amy is wolfy, visor is kinda w/e


my strongest villa reads are cape/vulgard

then pizza/taffy (idk if i mentioned them but i really liked a string of posts they had on..some page. it was v genuine imo)

then i villa lean a bunch of people but i could easily be wrong on them -csargo/monty/dya/boq/HK



i gotta go, will try to read up on d2 tomorrow

Might be Amy town?

Hm thinks.

[Vulgard]

Might be Amy town?

Hm thinks.

You think so? The wolfread on Amy is contingent on you being mafia, which... you shouldn't be.

[EnderWiggin]

Who was the person trying to argue on d2 that there's no way luv was killed for having his vote on ladd when he died?

Pizza.

[Vulgard]

Pizza.

Lol. I was about to be "yeaaaaaaaah maybe look at that individual."

[EnderWiggin]

You think so? The wolfread on Amy is contingent on you being mafia, which... you shouldn't be.

He goes on to say "Amy is just wolfy"

I was "hm thinks" because it's weak and he absolutely could do that to partner Amy but was just tossing the thought out there.

[EnderWiggin]

Also it's like 1:30am and I should be asleep.

So I'm going to revisit any read I make here in the morning.

[Vulgard]

I feel like that's within the realm of distancing, but that's my opinion.

[Vulgard]

Also it's like 1:30am and I should be asleep.

So I'm going to revisit any read I make here in the morning.

Please go to sleep.

[EnderWiggin]

i am going to town read ladd now tbh
which means sheeping

vote ender

also, if amy is a wolf it means i was awesome yesterday tbh

This kinda feels on the nose for w/w?

[EnderWiggin]

ok i'm caught up

trying to organize my thoughts

i'm catching myself falling into the trap of "this game is really hard if [other top wagon from d1] isn't a wolf" but i seem to not being the only one thinking that? with the obvious caveat that i'm also being thrown in that pile by others, but still

the towniest posters thus far today are renata, pizza, and visor, probably in that order

i'm not reevaluating my cape townread, i am reevaluating my vulgard townread but i quite frankly have no real idea what to do with him now, because a lot of his posts today have struck my brain at such a strange logical angle that i can't really make any sort of alignment-indicative sense of them

i think monty's d2 has been really towny and i kinda want someone who knows him better than i do (visor maybe?) to sanity check me on that because i feel slightly insane for saying it

ladd is town and i think my reason for it is kinda stupid. i don't think w!ladd would have any reason to bus w!ender when there are a fair few other suspects with momentum today (e.g. hypothetical v!vulgard, e.g. myself), and in a w!ladd v!ender world i don't think ladd would want to tie my alignment so directly to ender's and risk undermining his wolfread on me when ender flips

"amy surely that isn't the sole thing you're townreading ladd on" idk i think his d1 was a villagery sort of incorrect. i honestly don't think i'm a very good ladd reader, the one other game i've actually played with him he snowed me hard

can't say i came out of this catchup with any super explicit wolfreads but i think that's largely because i did a fairly surface level reading in order to prioritize not getting stuck in thread backlog hell, and i find that doing that kind of catchup tends to be a lot better at catching villagers than wolves for me

think my current gamestate perspective is, like. there's a big-ish pile of people that i was weakly townreading/nullreading yesterday, and i need to get a much better handle on them today, because i think the vast majority of wolves are in that pile. talking people like... dya boq hk kage. that's not a wolfreads list or even really the full suspects pool but i think i would be really, really surprised if there's not at least one in there.

i feel pretty decent about all my strong townreads and i'm not really gonna worry about that side of things unless the game gets hard (read: ender flips v LMAO)

i've also chosen to make a conscious effort to not care about people wolfreading me. if people have direct questions i'll ask em. otherwise i'll hope that i'm able to towntell better today, and if not, whatever

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

stay tuned for when this particular aspect of my strategy fails, because it's in my nature to get frustrated and uncomfortable when i'm wolfread, but i would really like for it to not be!

Nm that's over-explainy wolf tell right there about ladd.

[EnderWiggin]

Please go to sleep.

I have excitement and energy for this game for the first time in like 72 hours lemme ride it for a lil bit

[Montmorency]

TOWNCORE
Mont
Vulg
Ender

POSSIBLY TRUSTWORTHY
Renata

LOVERS
Boquise
HK

NULL
Taff


Csargo
Amy
Dyach
Kage

Dyach-Kage-HK tentative antipair
Csargo-Renata antipair
Dyach-Csargo antipair (mafia team would not crowd onto townie wagons D1)

I agree with Ender that we shouldn't kill him rn. Maybe reconsider later but ladd led the wagon on him two days in a row and flipped mafia.

Three days technically.

Most likely an all-town wagon on Amy right here.

Renata and I both look bad for switches if Amy is scum, and for keeping her in the POE sweet spot up to now. Would you argue that ladd is Rule-of-Threeing Amy in that wall?

Also, I note that in the wall ladd labels Cape as his top town read. Dyachei did so as well D2, in #1708. Slips?

Can you try personally resolving Amy tomorrow? Or is your power exhausted?

[Vulgard]

Idk, I've thought Amy is probably mafia since I cased her on day 2 and barely anyone has engaged with that case, at least while I was present.

I agree with boq that dya/amy being same alignment is probably a fair assessment, and that's the reason why I want to go in their direction. I also pointed out when casing Amy that her townread on ladd was super contrived, and with ladd being a wolf this is even more noteworthy.

Vote: Amy

Probably best to go here first?

[Vulgard]

Nm that's over-explainy wolf tell right there about ladd.

If Amy is a wolf, dya/boq/hk/kage feels like a rule of 3-type of post. Would expect a partner in that group.

[Vulgard]

Why are Boquise and HK labeled as lovers on your list?

[EnderWiggin]

i am almost caught up finally



cape's thought process was a believable one for a villager to have and one that i don't think wolves would even think about

yours is something wolves THINK villagers do while they actually rarely do

your posting on d2 also seems wolfy, all your pushes feel fake:



monty is a wolf cause they are low impact? cmn really lol



renata is wolfy cause of too many wolfreads...when thats village indicative if anything ime




again this feels too level 0

Kinda wanna say this post = One of Monty/Renata wolfy?

Or ladd was just going hard to the paint on getting me.