Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[noraplus]

ah

well noras posts are better than their last game so far LOL (though i think that game was prob an outlier)

guess we know nora/logic not w/w

my wolf game doesn't (always) suck

[Visor]

it's just that "hk's read is wolfy because syn didn't do anything towny" seems like an overly simplistic take on that hk post, like villagers make wack reads all the time

and it also doesn't help how close it is to how you bussed hk last time lol

i don't get why you think simple is bad

ofc villagers make whack reads all the time, thats not the point i was making (and not where villagers traditionally make whack reads anyway)

[Raskolnikov]

I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

[EnderWiggin]

then maybe you should get some thoughts on pzelda

Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

[Visor]

i'm also not sure where you think the difference in my take on the read is compared to other peoples

because everyone else has also (correctly imo) pointed out how nonsensical the read is

[Visor]

Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

suspiciously timed LOL

:really:

[EnderWiggin]

Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

Visor I think, maybe considering a heel turn on my ladd read tbh, I wanted Yolo and you to be town and you probably both are which means maybe it started pure.

Although at most one of the above cause I doubt both wolves would jump onto the defense.

[Raskolnikov]

Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

[EnderWiggin]

suspiciously timed LOL

:really:

Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

[Ephemeral]

You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

ya this

and tbh I don't think them being w/w is actually out of the question either so

[EnderWiggin]

You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

?

I mean sure, it is constructed with that regard, but also I think HK is wolf so?

[Visor]

why can't we be villagers who think that pzelda is independently wolfy from hk

i don't care about interactions

[Raskolnikov]

Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

ok fair. I can see where you are coming from. But to be blunt, pzelda sus started when he started posting :D (like read his first 3 posts lol)

[EnderWiggin]

ya this

and tbh I don't think them being w/w is actually out of the question either so

Okay I have had two people tell me I'm off regarding the timing of the wagon. I'mma be back after I double-check this.

[Visor]

you're basically saying the fact there is a counter wagon to the wagon you like is wolfy lol

[Ephemeral]

Okay I have had two people tell me I'm off regarding the timing of the wagon. I'mma be back after I double-check this.

more than the timing of the wagon imo you're writing them off as not w/w just a bit too easily tbh

[Raskolnikov]

?

I mean sure, it is constructed with that regard, but also I think HK is wolf so?

what Visor said. Why are you ruling out pzelda wolf?

I mean you can think of SRs on pzelda wagons based on your sus of HK. Maybe you are a passionate villager with a catch moment.

But maybe you are pzelda's partner trying to derail his wagon. Maybe there are both woofs and you a villager with a wrong clear? What do I know?

[EnderWiggin]

more than the timing of the wagon imo you're writing them off as not w/w just a bit too easily tbh

95%-ish of the time I never see a partner enter thread and have their *only read* being a weird townread on their partner.

That just... doesn't happen. I can think of less than the number of fingers on my hands that I've seen it live in my years of mafia.

[EnderWiggin]

you're basically saying the fact there is a counter wagon to the wagon you like is wolfy lol

"Oh man, I caught a wolf."

"Why are people building another wagon???"

[Raskolnikov]

Ephe, Visor, me

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

in wolf chat

[EnderWiggin]

what Visor said. Why are you ruling out pzelda wolf?

I mean you can think of SRs on pzelda wagons based on your sus of HK. Maybe you are a passionate villager with a catch moment.

But maybe you are pzelda's partner trying to derail his wagon. Maybe there are both woofs and you a villager with a wrong clear? What do I know?

See my response to Ephe.

Also, remember when I snap-read you as wolf off your opening reads in...

That mecha game, I think?

Took me days to get people to agree enough to actually push you over?

Somehow always alternate wagons would get ahead and people would lose track of the sus on you despite no one hard defending you?

That's what I'm feeling rn.

[Visor]

"Oh man, I caught a wolf."

"Why are people building another wagon???"

wat

this is ww bronana, people build multiple wagons

you're telling me you honestly think that a counter wagon to a wagon you like is wolfy?

you've been in hundreds of ww games, of which pretty much all have multiple wagons d1

man i don't know what to make of any of your posts on this page lol

[Visor]

i mean i don't even disagree with you that i think hk is wolfy

i just have thoughts on other slots too and hkatt has gotten plenty of attention this game already

[hollowkatt]

Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

[Ephemeral]

Ephe, Visor, me

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

in wolf chat

the dream team

[Raskolnikov]

See my response to Ephe.

Also, remember when I snap-read you as wolf off your opening reads in...

That mecha game, I think?

Took me days to get people to agree enough to actually push you over?

Somehow always alternate wagons would get ahead and people would lose track of the sus on you despite no one hard defending you?

That's what I'm feeling rn.

I don't remember, sorry.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

rofl. But I was HK's partner ;) Would have taken more days if I wasn't cleaning a broken glass from the kiddos at EOD lol If not Michelle too lmao

[Ephemeral]

why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

would like some holistic thoughts from you on the game when you can mate

[EnderWiggin]

wat

this is ww bronana, people build multiple wagons

you're telling me you honestly think that a counter wagon to a wagon you like is wolfy?

you've been in hundreds of ww games, of which pretty much all have multiple wagons d1

man i don't know what to make of any of your posts on this page lol

Counterwagons happen.

Wolves also push positions to shield friends in tight spots.

Is it possible that the pzelda wagon is pure? Sure.

Is it possible I'm wrong on them not being w/w? Sure.

But if I think a wolf has made a gaffe on D1 and rightfully drawn ire for it, the first thing I look for is how people divert attention.

I literally USED this tactic in G1 of Champs to avoid being D1'd when I fucked up my entrance. DK and Cobalt distracted attention and worked with me to diffuse how badly my start had fucked me.

[Raskolnikov]

why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

[Raskolnikov]

Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

My first thought was "oh, Ender is really going out of his way to prevent pzelda to be a thing" fwiw.