Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Wisdom]

Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.

[Achro]

I feel like a lot of people are saying lapras is howling but not explaining that read. I iso'd vul and came away thinking that case was more tunnel than genius so I would like to hear more detailed thoughts there.

Will be pretty busy tonight but I should be around later.

@Wisdom something something respond to this

Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.

[Lapras]

Good morning.

Robyn was a bad poison and their reaction makes that super clear
@Visor its not that i find you scummy its that your explicitly not towny

My time will be limited to Sunday but ill probs just hang out

[Lapras]

@Cape90 or @Cape were you in mafia league???

[Lapras]

@Wisdom something something respond to this

Also boq has a lot of the same people as not town as I do. Uh oh.

@Vulgard see

[Lapras]

Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.

This is low posters - visor

I know im town and dont really have a read on dya i just shrug voted them yesterday

But yh anyway

Your wolves are low posters so either your town beint pocketed by activity or wolf hunting ez targets

[Lapras]

And if dya is a wolf its a pretty normal and believable wolf tactic to set a dichotomy lf two similar players anywho and let it tend to the town but open yourself up for the bus if needed

[Lapras]

Final Vote Tally

Illario (6) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom Nutella Syn
Boquise (4) Cape90 robyn Raskolnikov Achro
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Visor (1) Lapras



Illario was chopped. They were vanilla town!



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It is night, no posting!

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

[Lapras]

wait okay this is actually really good though lol

maybe we just go back to lapras

Nutella does this alot fwiw where she worldbuilds wkth belief she might be wrong (i beliebe) so whilst sussing happy still looks at his pushes

Kinda inconsistent/ open mindedness /antiLAMIST thats towny despite their push on me being wrong

[Lapras]

Also im starting eod reread from that random post or will latsr duty calls

[Raskolnikov]

sup

Lemme see...

V in different strengths:
Nutella
Syn
Cape*
Lapras*
Wisdom*
Vulgard*
Robyn
Dya

Idk:
Achro
Visor
Ender

Scum?
Rask*

* = I need to revisit these reads
Initially town read Cape for the cw, but after thinking i could see a scum strat. However i dont think wolf!cape meta dives me get me misyeeted so like eh

Wisdom, Lapras, Vulgard reads just gotta get updated through seeing what they do today

Have zero reads on you, Visor, Ender - I was hoping that you would be NK'd so I wouldn't have to make a read but such is life.

Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found

Bruh. Your read on me is unexplained and static. You have been shamelessly riding it for 72 hours now lol.

But you aren't the only one heh.

Cape posts my reads are random (well I shared most with ladd, don't read that kind of comment there). but how friendo? Because it's not me who is spamming vibe/meta takes here.

Visor is tunnneling me for raisins?

Achro keeps lowering me too in readlists without any sensible argument too.

I don't wanna egoread too much but it's strikes me how a lot of people are willing to shade me without actual reasons. Prolly at least a wolf in these people I guess (Boq, Cape, Visor, Achro), maybe 2

Nutella pushing for a clear status (out of ladd's kill) at sod is sus, but that might just be a "nutella" thing? Need help here.

Still willing to chop Wisdom aorn. What was good in their eod @Visor?

Still some pages to read, su l8r

[Raskolnikov]

Frankly Boquise is just an outed wolf lol. I mean if you are a villager

You have been tunneling me without reason, coasting, ending off wagon at EOD1, still riding it lol.

vote: Boquise

[Raskolnikov]

btw robyn, I've been there. It sucks but just spam reads today. Make yourself useful for the D3+ village if u are town.

[Raskolnikov]

im comparing boq's mafia league match 2 game 2's town game to boq's mafia league match 4 game 1's wolf game

This is for the following reasons:
1. consistency, as they were in the same category of game style.
2. both were recent enough

they seemed fairly different to me in many aspects
1. boq's wolf game definitely felt like it had way awkwarder reads that didn't seem mindmeldy to me
2. Boq's town game had generally more thought out posts and the reads felt like they had weight to them rather then "fake weight"??? If that makes sense. Like in his wolf game day 1 he was pretty much burying tonystarkprime who was town and boq didn't really have much of a case there.

Meanwhile I take a look at his town game's day 1 and wow it actually looks villagery and has posts that look like genuine solving.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...20#post6471120
Dropping this town!boq post just because it's certainly better then any number of his wolf posts from the wolf game I am looking at.

And... that leaves me with also just straight up saying
better then this game too

The reads boq has this game are about as whatever as the reads he has made this game and are also pretty much formatted in a similar way too.

There is ofc the consideration of activity which is NAI for Boquise as his wolf game had more posts... but his town game had more to say. And this unfortunately really feels like his wolfgame.

I'm interested in seeing what Boq does today as that would probably be a deciding factor for me for how I feel about the slot. Town!boq had vigor Mafia League Match Two Game Two in day 2 that I would like to see here.

Frankly u can read as mnay games as you want and make any number of assumptions and comparaisons, in the end, we are playing in this thread, and Boq has been potatoing hard in it. This feels like a massive fog screen for ur partner friendo

[Achro]

I owe you an iso at some point. I lower you mostly because I don't remember anything that stood out to me as villagery aside the one thing.

[Cape90]

@Cape90 or @Cape were you in mafia league???

no i just pulled meta from it

[Cape90]

If boq flips wolf I am going to get concerned about cape. It is a bit concerning that the thread state read on me is either dismissal, poe, or 'yeah fuck that achro guy' and cape alone is like 'God achro is such obvious town look at him go.'

I like to think I am pretty transparent this game but I recently had a town game where town was not understanding my points at all and and a wolf came in and labeled me obvious town.

I guess counter to this is that iirc cape found me pretty quick in gravity falls. I think that was cape.

I don't know everybody's issue in figuring you out, but then again I have been fairly attentive to making sure I am reading things. And your comments about being spewed as town and complaining about nobody is reading your points has literally just solidified that in my mind

[Achro]

I don't know everybody's issue in figuring you out, but then again I have been fairly attentive to making sure I am reading things. And your comments about being spewed as town and complaining about nobody is reading your points has literally just solidified that in my mind

Fair enough. I guess I can't get too paranoid that the only person shown to robustly read me is correct lol
@Lapras what are your thoughts on boq?

[Cape90]

Cape posts my reads are random (well I shared most with ladd, don't read that kind of comment there). but how friendo? Because it's not me who is spamming vibe/meta takes here.

To be clear I have never said this

I said Syn made a comment I liked about that because on the surface level, I could just see where syn was coming from

raskol sorting his slots

i think im dumb and this didn't even mean that and im looking too deep.

Your reads honestly seemed antithetical to me but today im melding more with them, I still don't partially get the dyachei thing. This is the only thing I haven't seen you explain to my knowledge.

I have looked back and saw a lot of where your reads came from, I was slightly concerned about your read on Ender, but you said his votes you agreed with.

Saw your defense of Visor around the same point

You definitely seem more focused on scumreads then townreads, but I don't think to a wolfy extent and I am not really worried about you when you aren't W/W with Boq and Wisdom has also been sliding off for me and you arent W/W with them either

[Cape90]

Frankly u can read as mnay games as you want and make any number of assumptions and comparaisons, in the end, we are playing in this thread, and Boq has been potatoing hard in it. This feels like a massive fog screen for ur partner friendo

I don't disagree with this and I have literally said he's in his wolf meta. I would be voting him right now if there wasn't a majority.

Fog screen my ass

Get good at reading me or stop trying

[Cape90]

Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics

I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other

But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)

At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?


So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.

incredible gameplay

[Cape90]

Gonna be lazy and say Nutella/Syn v/v for now

this is the moment that boq realized he didn't actually post a scumcase

[Cape90]

Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

So I am entertaining the Syn/Nutella dynamics

I believe that usually I town read these interactions because it townies tend to fight against each other more than town vs scum (statistically likelier to have an argument with town than scum) and scum vs scum. Plus especially Nutella having a rough language against Syn. The last point is usually something I decide disqualifies them as a w/w pair because wolves tend to be nice to each other

But given how the thread is not the most active one, I could see two wolves taking up space to theatre fight and have town as collateral damage. Nutella brings up people that could be good votes (Lapras, Dya, me) and Syn opposes it and calls it a misyeet chain (btw if Syn is a wolf, I think that could be TMI)

At the very least, I don't think it is Nutella w/Syn t because I don't think wolf!Nutella talks like that to a town. Though she has used rough language against me when wolfing... Though I think we have more of a history together I think?


So like. I think if i read this on a casual level, both Syn and Nutella are town. But I am entertaining this as a w/w due to how the thread is like.

I have also town read you easily as town which has made you confused. Then iirc I was burned in one game and I began being cautious, though now I have worked up some confidence again. Given that I have both scummed and towned in games where you are town, I have felt like I have got a good grip on how you post as town. However my town read of you for processing Achro's wall when no one else cared is a good one but also not a strong town read.

That you started a last minute cw on town me when the main wagon was town is something I don't see scum does, because had I flipped there, you would look pretty bad (but also dragged down Illario with you so idk, maybe it is a more viable strat than I originally thought)

the thing about it is it was already a thing Lapras said and im side-eyeing them too

[Cape90]

i love multi quotes

[Achro]

i love multi quotes

I wonder if you are side eyeing lapras for the same reason I am suddenly side eyeing lapras.

[Cape90]

Rask read needs to be updated too. Last time I played here I was fairly accurate but I also kept lazily follow a dynamic that was eventually proven incorrect. So i am trying to be cautious with my Rask read and the Syn/Nutella dynamic I found

Rask/Boq scumteam gg

oh no Rask now we're in for it

It was a snide remark. I stated that because to me, you said you would keep voting Vulgard and believe in the process but then you quickly changed vote, which was funny to me

I think Cape actually sponging off of your wall is rand>town because his post was based on what you said and built on it, which I dont think a wolf would really care to do. Cape was basically being independently solvy in his response to your post.

I dont have any read of you at the moment since I know you are wall-y as both alignments. I am waiting to see how your pushes go. I dunno if we will catch a wolf today - I am currently poking around and I will have an easier time when I've had a few flips.

My Rask vote has nothing to do with you. Why did you assume that?

Why would you commit such a crime
What has Weedles done to you
Did you ever ask about my reason to vote Rask or was it more important to superimpose your own read there

I voted Rask because he began shading Nutella when she walked back her scum read of me

I just wanna point out this was the entire thing on Rask and why Rask is scum. It is so strange and Boq wasn't straightforweard about his rask push until a bunch of posts later. Giving the reason of suspectinv Rask when he shaded nutella when nutella walked back their scumread on boq which to me looks like a self-awareness thing. I guess there was motivation for checking Rask as ender was an early Boq townread for "being relatable" whatever that means.

Anyways I rate boq's comeback to the thread a you should probably still kill this slot out of 10.

[Cape90]

Something something Lapras/Dyachei instead.

So like... you starting to think Boq is town?

[Cape90]

I think x4/5 of the illario wagon were afk?

So he was always dying unless we united on someone else

Pretty brilliant spot for wolves to anti spew tbh and wolves can always just fake push ppl knowing means nothing

Someoje who looks uncaring is probs just wolf tho

read my SOD post, it was 3, if you count EnderWiggin as he technically left early, then 4.

[Cape90]

Boq seems a bit dejected all in n i dunno if thats his wolf persona upon reflecfion

i could always side eye for this

[Cape90]

This is low posters - visor

I know im town and dont really have a read on dya i just shrug voted them yesterday

if you wanted to vanity vote, why didn't you just stay on visor, why last minute go dyachei when nobody was on them anyways? Especially if it was a shrug vote? Like you literally said you didn't think Visor was towny