Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

[Boquise]

Unvote: Ender

Super weird

[Boquise]

I think it is better if I just die here. We'll see if I make some posts/read the thread or just enjoy my Sunday with something else

[Syn]

y'all are unbelievable

vote: Wisdom

[nutella]

y'all are unbelievable

vote: Wisdom

still would appreciate your case there as you were more confident before everyone else, can you point to meta stuff or something that buries them

[Raskolnikov]

You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.

There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.

Like if you're gonna trash me it's probably more correct to say that I suck at playing mafia on phone regardless of alignment. I believe you can see a difference in how I play and post from the last 3 hours compared to the rest of the day, same goes with the last hour I was online D1.

It's something that could be noticed in any game I play really. I usually only play on PC if I have other business here as well, because -sorry- I play mafia to have something fun to think about and to hang out with nice people first hand, and rarely high effort to win if it's not competetive or I'm invested, and I'm far too used to be the top wagon d1 and d2 to start caring before mid game.

The fact that you have more time now doesn't make you any more villagery. The fact you are AtEing saying wolfreading you is disrepecting your wolf game is insane. What about your villa play then? Is this it? YOu have been villa here? com'on

[Raskolnikov]

You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.

There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.

Achro - He's had high WIM and I don't really know to solve him if I don't base my reads on flawed meta. Lean town but very weak.

Boq - Had low WIM but that doesn't really imply anything, and it might even be high WIM but low time in thread. Lean wolf but weak.

Cape90 - Had high WIM d1 and less so today, was very confident on his read on me early on but changed his mind when others started doubting, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't unless other wolf read me so egh that makes him either a wolf or a coward. Null.

dyachei - I've been able to find them quite early based on WIM and how they percieve solving and this time I haven't. That has been a wolf tell before. Boq town reads them, and I don't really understand why because in a w/w situation that seems like a dumb thing to do, if w!Boq and v!Dya that seems plausible, and if v!Boq then I guess he has more experience with Dya to read them better than I do. I wish I had Dunya's solid skill of reading them. I guess lean v if I sheep Boq regardless of his alignment, but kinda wanna lean w because lacking a town read usually implies wolf on slots like them. Am torn. Won't vote right now I guess. (I'm already voting them ain't I lol) Lean wolf.

EnderWiggin - Feels different from last game in which he was wolfing. I didn't catch him then but Syn caught him pretty much instantly and I've seen nothing of the sorts so far, so that strengthens my hunch that Ender is town. Lean town, re-evaluate if Syn is w.

lapras - I still have no read here, sorry. Null.

nutella - To me the most obvious town right now, reads feels genuine and not made to please people, not sure if I can explain it better without a proper ISO. I get why people think we're w/w. I don't get why people wolf read her outside of that. Town.

raskolnikov - Has tunneled me straight since game started and conf biased everything I've said and down. Nothing similar to the wolf-Rask I've both played with and against. Town.

Syn - Similar to Rask but slightly weaker. The tunnel exist similarly to how he caught Ender last game except he's wrong now. Not sure if he'd play like this as wolf, and tunnels are towny in general. Lean tpwn.

Visor - Been changing my mind a lot on him. I don't hate my earlier reason to town read him but compared to most reads he feels like the weakest town read, and for a player of his caliber that might just make him a wolf. I guess null for now.

Vulgard - Not completely sure how to approach him. He's better at reading me than I am at reading him in general, but I have had moments in games where I just find him to be town (once he turned out to be a wolf though) and right now I don't, which gives me similar vibes as Dya. Weak wolf lean.

DEAD

illario - Town read me, not sure why he was wagoned in the first place outside of "Could be w/w with Wisdom" (which is the same kind of dichotomy I've heard a lot today). Should probably look at his reads closer if I get the time.

ladd - Wolf read me, also wolf read Boq. He was killed because he is Ladd and Ladd gets n1'd, even more so because it frames me but I wonder if it frames Boq or if just Boq killed him because he was right?

Robyn - Probably town but has done very little useful for the alignment today.

Unvote

I never meant to have that vote there for more than 5min, sorry.
I can't offer you a town read but I can at least unvote.

Vote: Lapras

Yolo

So tl;dr you are yolo voting a null when you have several wolf leans (Boq, Visor, dya, Vulgard).

(I won't get into the way your wolf lean are formed because it's just meta/vibes shrug)

Bur you aren't a wolf. lmao

[Boquise]

reading pieces of the thread, and i find it sort of unbelievable that all three of cape, rask and vulgard fail to understand my rask read and make huge mental jumps with it, when it is short and should be easy to understand. Maybe I am more terrible at expressing myself than I thought. So just to not have to waste time with it and have it twisted for the umpteenth time, here is a short summary + restating my own acknowledgements


I had a suspicion on nutella
nutella suspected me
nutella walked back her suspicion
Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it
I have seen that as a common wolf tactic
having absolutely nothing else to go on, i voted there.
That was D1.

On D2, I said I needed to go through my read and update it
With this, I am announcing that I think the read is weak and could be wrong
However, Rask twisted it and misrepped my play so I did not feel complied to pull down the effort to do so.
I also found that twisting to be wolfy due to my thread position.

Here are some acknowledgements:
i know the rask read is weak
i am not hyper valuing it, i could very well be wrong, but my care levels are very low.
I have a few town reads but no real scum read
I will not force a scum read just for the sake of having a scum read when I have no clue
Especially in a game where my posts are under a magnifying glass and where people inject their own leaps of conclusions to them and act as if those assumptions are facts.
The next person who complains about me not having a scum read is the person I will unironically death tunnel until post game, both here and in the graveyard tbh

alrightie, lets catch some woofs!

[Raskolnikov]

And Wisdom, don't get me wrong here, but I have wolfed with you (even successfully iirc). Your WIM poppins are totally a thing you do as a wolf.

[Raskolnikov]

reading pieces of the thread, and i find it sort of unbelievable that all three of cape, rask and vulgard fail to understand my rask read and make huge mental jumps with it, when it is short and should be easy to understand. Maybe I am more terrible at expressing myself than I thought. So just to not have to waste time with it and have it twisted for the umpteenth time, here is a short summary + restating my own acknowledgements


I had a suspicion on nutella
nutella suspected me
nutella walked back her suspicion
Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it
I have seen that as a common wolf tactic
having absolutely nothing else to go on, i voted there.
That was D1.

On D2, I said I needed to go through my read and update it
With this, I am announcing that I think the read is weak and could be wrong
However, Rask twisted it and misrepped my play so I did not feel complied to pull down the effort to do so.
I also found that twisting to be wolfy due to my thread position.

Here are some acknowledgements:
i know the rask read is weak
i am not hyper valuing it, i could very well be wrong, but my care levels are very low.
I have a few town reads but no real scum read
I will not force a scum read just for the sake of having a scum read when I have no clue
Especially in a game where my posts are under a magnifying glass and where people inject their own leaps of conclusions to them and act as if those assumptions are facts.
The next person who complains about me not having a scum read is the person I will unironically death tunnel until post game, both here and in the graveyard tbh

alrightie, lets catch some woofs!

tbh I just think you haven't been reading my posts Boq. it's OK.

Pls quote the post where:

"Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it"

that triggered your vote pls. I just have no recollection about what you are talking about.

Also I have made a post where I explained my stances on nutella D1. Did you read it? Because it's pretty clear to me you have missed a lot of my progression on this slot. You owe me this effort if you are a villager. Otherwise, yes sure go on lol.

[nutella]

nvm flip flop drive is engaged again

vote: wisdom

[Boquise]

for legal reasons, the last part about death tunnel was supposed to be a joke tbh

[Wisdom]

The fact that you have more time now doesn't make you any more villagery. The fact you are AtEing saying wolfreading you is disrepecting your wolf game is insane. What about your villa play then? Is this it? YOu have been villa here? com'on

You misunderstand me, I've read similar times today that people call me specifically A bad wolf. As in a general thing. And I find that, well, disrespectful as you put it. I didn't talk about you specifically, and I don't call anyone calling me wolf bad/disrespectful (I even get it, more or less), I'm just not a fan of getting trashed, understandably.

But you haven't answered my question - The reasons you wolf read me for - Why would I do that as wolf specifically?

I think I've been villa enough the last few hours, yes.

[robyn]

Vote Wisdom

[Raskolnikov]

See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.

nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)

oh you must be talking about this @Boquise lol.

Just know I had them as a weak TR at that time. before that, I voted them early on to prob a null read after the rvs phase.

ANd then these posts:

nah it's fine

i personally have a hard time narrating all those steps that happen in my brain when i make a read so maybe i am just stressed out by your ability to do so

but i was about to unvote you this is so unfair

vote: achro

back to my vanity wagon since no one else is wolfy lol

ok im lock towning boq forever gg haha

looked wolfy to me.

Like they went from sussing you pretty hard to locking you town forever out of the post where you explained your process on Wisdom, which looked sus to me at time (like I am pretty sure you have sufficient range to make that kind of post as a wolf lol).

Feel free to wolfread me for it Boq, but I guess I have made my thought process pretty clear here.

fwiw I have nutella as strong town too now

[Boquise]

tbh I just think you haven't been reading my posts Boq. it's OK.

Pls quote the post where:

"Rask immediately complained about that and shaded her for it"

that triggered your vote pls. I just have no recollection about what you are talking about.

Also I have made a post where I explained my stances on nutella D1. Did you read it? Because it's pretty clear to me you have missed a lot of my progression on this slot. You owe me this effort if you are a villager. Otherwise, yes sure go on lol.

It was this post tbh

See how it's done Achro. Boq knows his s?!%.

nut's posts have been hilariously wolfy this page. (the turnaround on Boq)

At first I also thought the first sentence could be a bit pockety but decided against it because it was funny tbh
I think it is easier to catch wolves in posts like this than in the big boi posts tbh

and yeah, like I have already stated, I will re-look my read and stuff. I have missed a lot of progression on everybody. Syn is still calling for Wisdom's head and I dont know if they have ever said why and at this point i am too afraid to ask tbh

[robyn]

And Wisdom, don't get me wrong here, but I have wolfed with you (even successfully iirc). Your WIM poppins are totally a thing you do as a wolf.

hahahahaah

[Boquise]

oh you must be talking about this @Boquise lol.

Just know I had them as a weak TR at that time. before that, I voted them early on to prob a null read after the rvs phase.

ANd then these posts:









looked wolfy to me.

Like they went from sussing you pretty hard to locking you town forever out of the post where you explained your process on Wisdom, which looked sus to me at time (like I am pretty sure you have sufficient range to make that kind of post as a wolf lol).

Feel free to wolfread me for it Boq, but I guess I have made my thought process pretty clear here.

fwiw I have nutella as strong town too now

yea
i think town is less about having a whole dance number to walk back a scum read, and are instead more prone to steer away from it immediately when they get a new thought tbh

so it was never about your thought process being unclear

[Boquise]

hahahahaah

hihihihihi

[Boquise]

now i have to consider whether rask's passive-aggressive/annoyance in tone is townie smh

[Raskolnikov]

You misunderstand me, I've read similar times today that people call me specifically A bad wolf. As in a general thing. And I find that, well, disrespectful as you put it. I didn't talk about you specifically, and I don't call anyone calling me wolf bad/disrespectful (I even get it, more or less), I'm just not a fan of getting trashed, understandably.

But you haven't answered my question - The reasons you wolf read me for - Why would I do that as wolf specifically?

I think I've been villa enough the last few hours, yes.

do what? You know there are very few wolves that out themselves on purpose.

What do you want me to say? As a wolf you would be too shy to SR Visor then back off immediatly? You don't like WIFOM? You don't like LAMIST? You wouldn't ride the "Raskol is a wolf" vibes that were itt mid D1 because Visor posted it? Come on. I am pretty sure you can do that and giggle about it.



This was my last post about science-fiction Wisdom (even if I do know you enjoy it <3)

[Raskolnikov]

hihihihihi

hohohoho

[Boquise]

yeah, i think your reads suck, robyn

sorry, i think your read accuracy is worse than mine because you have me, a villager, in your poe of 3

I saw your post @Wisdom about struggling to read Dya. So this is a good example.
In the last games I have played with Dya, I have pushed them. They were a wolf in one (a game here, last December) and town in the other games.

Whilst Dya as scum try to shut down scum reads on them, imo they also try to be cooperative. The post I am quoting here gives no pardon. "You have me, a villager, in your poe of 3" (therefore robyn's reads, according to dya, are bad). Like, I think as town Dya has an approach/perspective that does not allow them to be inside someone else's poe because "they are town". Idk if I am making myself understandable here.

im not going to ignore visor because i think he's a wolf

Im not going to solve in the way you think solving should happen because I play my own game

This post is also an example of Dya not being cooperative.

Like. I am not a good Dya reader. Dya has stated that themselves in the last games we have played and I have misread them, but I think I have learned some tells at least

[Boquise]

my point is that dya as a wolf is more concerned on having positive relationships in the thread, like caring more about the social aspect of the game than actually solving the game

[Boquise]

i don't know how that's the case for you

cape said boq was playing to his wolf meta in regard to his read on cape, explained why and how

rask said boq made up a fake argument that has no basis in reality and that boq's read on him has been narrow and weak (the latter of which i agree with, the former of which i understand his reasoning about)

boq's wolfread on rask has indeed been pretty stale and unchanging, it's also the closest thing he has to an actual wolfread that he believes in so it being so unexplained and not strongly pursued is extra wolfy, doesn't seem like he's actually hunting

i feel like all of the above would be wolfy for anyone and not just boq, so why is it "just boq?"

i just dont really understand how i get so misunderstood when i all my posts are short and succinct tbh
there is no fake argument.
i have stated multiple times it is weak and up to change

when will this register with you? @Vulgard

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1823


boquise 3 vulgard enderwiggin achro
wisdom 3 raskolnikov Syn nutella
dyachei 1 visor
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23

[Boquise]

i can sorta see the take on visor because he hasn't really been playing but what do you think he's done that was actually ai? for me the worst thing is that he's been continually hinting he has suspicions on rask but has postponed explaining them for a long time which is similar to what boq's doing

he has the irl excuse so it's not as wolfy from him but it's still something that bothers me

maybe if i write a musical about the play/read i had, it will have a lasting impression
this is starting to get wolfy

[Raskolnikov]

leaning town on Boq now

(the fact I understand where he is coming from with his read on me and these last solving posts)

[robyn]

i don’t have a vote?????? lmfao

[Boquise]

lmao. don't out them pls. (I know ur joat read lmao)

in my experience, it is wolves that usually react like this because It Is The Proper Townie Reaction, whilst town try to not react at all tbh

a wolf who wants robyn to out the joat lmao

Where did you see this/how did you come to this conclusion?

[nutella]

i don’t have a vote?????? lmfao

u have to use colon or they wont see it