13er summer game thread

[nebjiamn]

You thanked the second post.

i think that was Winston explaining why he voted Ender for EOD1

that is how i took it

inb4 winston clarifies that he saw someone at my mom's house

[Achro]

i think that was Winston explaining why he voted Ender for EOD1

that is how i took it

inb4 winston clarifies that he saw someone at my mom's house

Maybe so, and in that case fair enough. That's how I saw it. But good news I think they are town anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

I didn't check Visor at all ftr.

I just thought it was the best social fake guilty to make.

Unvote

Taffy had no motion (paranoia check)

I think Katze treated the fake the worst but idk.

Also Visor's initial reaction was bad but I can kinda see it from a PR

[katze]

sighs loudly

[Achro]

sigh, Ender I would have made my post look better if I knew it was needed now gfc.

[katze]

i hope ur a wolf lol

christ man i told you to claim at the 24 hour mark at the latest

[Visor]

I didn't check Visor at all ftr.

I just thought it was the best social fake guilty to make.

Unvote

Taffy had no motion (paranoia check)

I think Katze treated the fake the worst but idk.

Also Visor's initial reaction was bad but I can kinda see it from a PR

oh my god i fucking claimed for nothing i am going to punt you into the sun

[EnderWiggin]

i hope ur a wolf lol

christ man i told you to claim at the 24 hour mark at the latest

24 hour mark claims get less hard traction in terms of serious reactions.

[katze]

more thrilling developments in the 13er summer game thread

[Achro]

Anyway, I'm king for the day. If I am wrong, I'll eat the loss for town.

Team is Visor/Benneh/Dya. Have fun.

First off, sorry for being so dramatic at points today. I am still growing emotionally after some tough things in my life and although I am proud of my progress, and I certainly have done worse unfortunately, it wasn't in the spirit of a chill game. Sorry about that! I hope you enjoy your night reading, and maybe you will agree with my conclusions or think of good discussion points for day 3! Also please forgive any typos, I have tried to rectify them once I got to my computer but all of this was originally typed on my phone.

Also normally I provide music for my long posts, but this is an overnight reading assignment, but it is a lot to dig through so I’d suggest you set aside some time, if that’s your thing.

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Possible visor links time. Beginning fresh with w!visor and v!ender. Also apparently Winston wasn't claiming poison or I am the only one who reads so I guess my bad there lol. Maybe it was a joke I didn't understand
Also now to add to my assumptions about the wolf team. They were fine pushing along the narrative of cape day 1 to kill ladd and visor was content to waste the day on me. Seeing how others interact with his suspicion on me could prove enlightening as I am usually good at detecting bullshit.

You know what is great about post capping early? In exchange for thread control I get to focus my thoughts while jamming to music throughout the day as I do other things. Time to see if I can do the trick I have done a few times this year and just ruin the wolf team's day on one post. Attack me, will you? You think I would settle for only one pelt? NAIVE! Normally this is where I would try to sound cool and edgy but tbh? You are about to be owned by a fucking fish, friends. This is what peak magikarp performance looks like.

Karp. Karp. Magikarp.

Anyway ctrl + f visor gogo

damn this post made me half convinced zack was actually playing and it stuck in my brain and i had to check to make sure

sad

Maybe cute wolf theater

Last game (and I think that's his only game here?) Achro made 336 posts over 5 days, for an average of ~67, which is close enough to 50 not to have to panic at the thought of a 50 postcap, so yes, scumpoints deserved.

Vote: Achro

Taffy is like always town for following up visors vote on me with good faith (if a bit slanted) research. Least surprising town read of my life.

Because Visor was the first to vote Achro. Do you think he was serious, or that he was just voting to see what would happen?





I think Ladd was talking about this exchange:



Dyachei was only the second to decline to participate.

Just to make it more obvious how town Taffy is lol. I will say though that I find Taffy impossible to solve with if they can't see how horrible visors inconsistency was. I took two posts to illustrate but if they took the time to read through visor the post from day 2 was one of several he made along these lines that made it blatant that he was full of it. From 'I wish I had said something' to his mind bending rationale that I did 'nothing' to save cape when I was on several counter wagons and spoke up throughout the day how the game state felt bad. I apologize profusely Taffy but I just don't think you are on my level as a solver (as in, on the same floor not that i need to be above or below you. Different. I thought to clarify this because it sounded like i was downgrading you) that's your take from visors posts about me today that they aren't outing. Like I think you are clearly town, kill me if you must tomorrow since we will have breathing room I don't take suspicion personally I am a fantastic wolf, but this in particular makes me think you are just unable to perceive the game like I do and I know this will be taken badly but like. I don't mean it in a bad way I have my faults when I solve too. We are just too different to work well together solving. I am sorry if you can't find me but I understand first time achromatic experiencers do tend to have trouble with my thinking hopefully we can work better together in the future.

Oh I see. This is nai I think for Kat's range as both alignments so nothing much to say about that one.

Hello visor you have shown no problem sussing me early as wolf to get me to think you are being genuine. What's up

What a great early game read by me lol. I remembered visor susing me early before and I was like 'I remember this story before'

I don't think I am going to re evaluate Taffy until lylo at the minimum tbh.

Because it takes a type of wolf to not only go through my last game here to calculate my posts, but then to not even stop to consider what my rand was in that game and how it had nothing to do with solving. It feels like the essence of 'hah, I caught you in your LIES wolf'

Although I will confess even though I don't know how to solve with a mere 50 posts what I left unsaid is that I am willing to learn. My opening as per tradition didn't really matter it was just another way to avoid the drivel that is rvs and get people into the swing of things.

Thread control is a common way of discussing how people interact with the thread. I don't really need control although as long as I set the pace of things and wolves are dancing to my beat. Which they are for now. Who knows if I will catch one, but the thread seems fun to me.

Anyway

Taffy
Insomnia
Ender
Dya

Towny to kinda towny

Still processing please hold
Katze

A little tiny bit wolfy
Ladd
Visor

(I think puffing out your wolf game is slightly towny. Downplaying slightly wolfy. Visor has shown he doesn't mind suspecting me early as wolf so I know this fits his wolf profile so I need positive answers for why he voted for me rather than assuming the best in people like I often do since it's math accurate)

'I am good at reading into people voting for me' is not an empty boast. I know for a bit day 1 I was like 'well I mean he hasn't done much maybe it is town' but I changed that read by eod so I am still good lol.

i don't get the cape... resignment? seems ~fine and basically a guess atp

ladd my strongest tr. i kinda wanted to yolo visor v earlier but now it seems a bit blaze to do but i'll prob just ride it anyway.

katze seems better but i'm going to keep voting them so i don't look silly when they flip w

cuth seems good too

Yolo visor v but idk feels potentially partnered

i am choosing to not answer this

any inconveniences this may cause you may be forwarded to visor

Note I did in fact forward it to visor. Ty.

@Visor if cape were to reveal as an innocent child what would your preferred vote be?



yep

Kind of a nothing question to visor

vote: cape

I don't think anyone else really stands out

Dyas posting hasn't kicked on but I'm fine with that for now

Cuth seems okay for now

Nothing really moving the needle re ladd or benneh

I feel like this post has a second scum on it. Based off nothing admittedly. Will keep an eye out for cuth/dya/benneh things

Achro/dya/cape wilves GG

I could see dya being a wolf here. Visor was never afraid of a little distancing. But it's contrary to my game read of dya atm but I can reconsider that in light of visor being a wolf.

ye ngl, didn’t really get it

feels odd to reference anni and not just a general read there. particularly because idk what was different in anni, and if there was something different, then im pretty sure i didn’t open the same way in here

Doesn't feel very partnery on reply to visor hm

vote:visor

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak

I love cuth's wit tbh. Also feels unpartnered with visor

they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

Hmm.

Visor/dya/? Would fulfill my traditional 'I am wrong on one of my day 1 town leans' hmm yes.

i don't dig the taffy read. the way they questioned visor's vote on achro and then instantly piggybacked it with him deserving pressure because he can post enough as a wolf

maybe i didn't really understand their point about how many posts he had vs how many post caps we have here, but regardless of that, it just felt like a wolfy way to shoehorn in a vote after asking for why visor made it in the first place

otherwise i agree with most of ur reads

Attacking obvious town Taffy is noted.

pretty close to ladd's list. i'd drop taffy and maybe take you down a shade even tho i want to believe.

cape's pretty null and i kinda expected something similar to his last post regardless of his alignment so that didn't help

some slight wolf leans but really i want to see more posting from winston/ender/dya before i did into anything cause i don't wanna force the thread perspective onto anything before ppl are really settled in

Bad take on Taffy and a meaningless read of visor. 'I would take you down a shade' doesn't mean a thing. Rule of 3 on the last list if dya is wolf with benneh hmm yes.

Fair read, I like it

Nothing response to benneh. Felt no need to really impress benneh by like. Saying anything. Noted.

Shout out for cape wolf reading visor on gut here. And you monsters killed him for it smh @Cape90 the GOAT.

you tried the corndogs didn't you

Benneh responds with a joke to a visor vote.

visor thinking I'm a wolf is probably whatever. i dont get what he didnt get about my insom read. And he didnt really ask me, which is kind of annoying

Surface level unpartnered but then ... why didn't dya ask visor what he didn't get. I have been asking people to explain things all day but dya just notes annoyance here and moves on. Hmm yes.

sup dya

what game u playin

any thoughts on what visor/insoms reads on you means for their alignment, if anything? or any general reads unrelated to reads on you


for the purpose of the above you can pretend im not voting you because i am not sure what im doing with my vote as of now

Towny question for katze to ask imo

I get what yall are saying about taffy

In my mind their thought process was: see player they respect in visor vote achro--> ask why-->check for themself on achro-->find the 50 post stuff (i agree the reasoning is not great but is it something a wolf would bother to think about?)-->vote achro-->ask people opinions on achro/visor cause in their mind either visor is right or he may be a wolf



I read it as something like this and it seemed okay but obv need more



~Everyone coming in with an achro wolf read. Isitmewhoiswrong.jpg

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Nah its the children

@ladd nope lol.

I always wolfread taffy (it's their own fault ofc, I'm innocent), so I'm gonna just let them do their own thing

Taffy is an innocent child etc etc

The phrasing just felt too explanatory

What does this even mean lol

i guess he ended up voting visor

idk, his outlook on some things are just weird to me /shrug. didn't like the post he had addressing you / katze ~at all


if i end up having something better by EoD, i'll swap

Idk this feels a bit unpartnered. 'He voted my wolf buddy idk kinda sus' is a post most wolves would hesitate to make.

Diablo 4. It's hard for me to find time to play with a toddler running around so I'm trying to finish the campaign in order to be able to play the seasons with others.

I do think taffy's vote kind of sucked but not really sure i want to vote there today. Idk, I don't know taffy well enough and it's still essentially very early game.

If I had to choose someone else to vote, I'd probably choose cape.

Dya pushing wolf agenda here. 'Yup let's all just kill cape who is voting a wolf rn oh btw taffy later though' didn't even answer the question about insomnia or visor either.

visor's read on me means nothing for his alignment @katze

not sure about insom's tbh.

It... means nothing. I remember I read a post from dya some time ago where I said if ender is v it could be tmi of that from dya wolf. Now I am thinking this is likely the case.


(At this point my level 1 team is visor/dya/benneh but continuing still as it's early)

Ah yes the replies. I looked at that thread before but manually forgot about it since I only played once. Okay cool. Tbh not bad that I will only be capped for like an afternoon. But also not surprising that I will be capped lol.

Anyway 12 players let's see.

Town people in order of confidence roughly
Ender - like their world view a lot, feels chill and I can buy that they think self righteousness is a town tell for me generally (it is not it is mood dependent but this observation makes sense from the games he has played with me).

Taffy - I am. Fucking literal GOD at reading into votes on me being suspicious vs not and this slot is NEVER A WOLF. Phrased this way for maximum funny if wrong but until proven otherwise I trust my read on that because fr I am good at understanding thread position of myself.
Winston - good vibes. Like the katze sus because it felt solvey to me
Cuth - had a post I really liked earlier but I forget what now. But I will trust early Chris.
Ladd - chill vibes, like most of their thoughts we shall see if he leads us off a cliff.
Cape - god help me I think he is town at this point but not confident. Lots of talk about him being scummy tho so maybe a little thread spewed. Not sure not usually my type of read.
Insomnia - not much experience with this one but seems alright to start.


Not so towny 5

Katze - not feeling the MOJO but also willing to see what they come up with. Probably not bussing given reputation so if they bag a wolf today probably ok
Visor - I remember nothing
Neb - I remember nothing but felt compelled to put them here
Dya - starting to get bad vibes but nothing definite
Sk - see many posts above, but basically I don't think that wall post was wrll thought out and genuinely solving the game from an uninformed perspective. Felt like he was placing chess pieces instead of trying to form reads. Want to hear from him tho because it could be a simple misunderstanding on my end.

That's my legacy for now if I get capped.

Hmm yes. Perhaps a GOATed post by Achro.

i wouldn't have minded this so much until he just dropped the read on me later when he was grocery posting. initially it felt like he had a good reason to wolf read me and we'd see 'a case' and i'd have a better chance to read him off that but then he just let the read on me go.

i'm not really sold on his visor read either. visor could be a wolf but its prob not for a random shitpost linking cape with ahcro and ... dya? i think it was

Lmao this feels so partnered in my level 1 world. I don't think I am confbiased either tbh. 'And... dya?' Like it's not that hard to remember a one line post my guy lol.

like i know you said his vote on you doens't mean anything for his alignment but what about the rest of his (and i guess visor's since you said the same there) posts in general

dya what are your thoughts on ender?

Nothing post to dya really

Visor(1): Cape
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro

Not voting (1): Dyachei

Still posting from phone, sorry for the formatting.

Maybe I am flattering myself but I don't think aligned visor/katze both go into a chill game together thinking 'let's hard push achro out of the gate' lmao. Katze had been trying to be better to themselves lately. Joycat emoji here.

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk

Visor is visoring is such a nothing read at this stage tbh. Not beating the allegations.

hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh

I will say visor feels a little off and then do nothing at all about it or question visor in any meaningful way. Look at how town I am, said the wolf.

@Raskolnikov i was (and still am) voting visor

respectfully, i don't think w!visor would be super worried about that, either from how it would look in retrospect or from you getting prickly

there was nothing that felt significant to me really? i still don't have any opinion on taffy's posts

i also think i skimmed past the stuff and i mostly know about it from reading other people talk about it

i don't think casually digging through other people's past games right off the bat is a super ai thing on its own though

this post made me very happy

not for lack of trying! i legit made myself stop checking the thread as regularly yesterday because every time i tried to engage people they were just shutting down conversations and refusing to respond and the thread just didn't feel good and i felt like i would get snippy and passive aggressive if i was posting more

also meh

i've been turning this thought around in my head for the last 24 hours or so

i'm surprised how much pressure has stayed on him throughout-- it's kinda normal to have this sort of dynamic, be it vs villager or wolf, especially in a game with this kind of playerlist (see c4 from that one game several of us played in last year), but idk

everything's felt excruciatingly stagnant and i don't think it's all because it's a post capped game and i haven't played mafia in ages and i'm currently starving for distraction from schoolwork lol

Cuth literally always v for this take down of my EGOTISTICAL AND INCORRECT take on visor. Cuth has a lot of town posts but this just feels super unpartnered to me in how it was presented.


Through page 4 visor/benneh/dya are not beating the allegations.

Ladd prompts benneh for a Visor read because he trusts benneh. Benneh last page something felt off. When asked by ladd..

i think he's v. its not a strong read but it doesn't feel like he's trying to push an agenda into the thread

like, i don't imagine a wolf visor halfway thru day being like "Welp, guess we're lunching cape cause i don't see anything better" regardless of cape's alignment. and then when asking me for more thoughts he just kinda accepts them but still gives ppl time to breathe. i feel like he'd force there to be more than one suspect on his radar atp

Ah. I see. A malfunctioning imagination, was it?

ladd
achro

benneh
dya
ender
katze

sk
taffy

cape
winston

visor
insomnia

neither ordered within category or particularly confident, sk/taffy are neutral and the two below aren't necessarily different in magnitude but are still different in my head somehow

i'll be sporadically phone-posting at most between now and an hour out from eod

Feels like a town reads list at this stage. Visor was obviously doing odd things in hindsight and it has me as town so of course its a villager. (For legal purposes this is a joke)

spicy

can you talk to me about insom? i don't remember you mentioning him before

Benneh not asking about visor when this same page he said he was a villager lmao. Excuse me? Why would you, if town, NOT ask why someone is wolf reading someone you think is towny having not discussed it with them before?

(There Are No Good Answers Edition)

katze/visor/benneh?

Okay even assuming the poison claim sod was a joke this is town because I can EASILY see this team on this reread if not for specific experience with katze so hmm yes.

Note taffy keeps obvious towning day 1 I just am not bothering to quote it.

It's true. If Visor and I were both scum here, I'd be having a ball.

I believe you.

Through page 5

Town (not counting ender or visor this is for the future)
Taffy
Cuth
Winston
Katze
Insomnia
Sk


Wolves
Dya
Benneh

@katze I am ready for that king maker proposal tomorrow tbh.

Also taffy is so mean to me. Saying I should pace myself but was suspicious of me for saying I would have trouble solving in this game. Cruel. Unusual! But also I don't need cheap tricks to beat any of you as a wolf I am the top of the food chain there. As a town I am but a humble fish doing my best to splash around and kill wolves.

Anyway back to my ctrl + f fun.

i can dig that. but that doesn't really align with what your reasoning was to vote him at the time?

like your posts re: achro today woudl have made a lot more sense in that context but the part that bugs me is that you found something almost certainly NAI to use to vote him (e.g. his ability to post above the post cap?)

No pushback at all on visor's vote of me, but taffy gets grilled.

i think visor probably holds ladd and i to a slightly higher standard fwiw

both in terms of wolf and village reading us

Excuses for visor

alrighty ty for the info

id be pretty hyped for a benneh/katze wolfrand but id bus visor so hard u have no idea...

SPEAKING OF WHICH visor is rly wolfy uwu (this isnt a real read) (maybe???)

current worldview looks something like


REDACTED READS: Winston, katze

ladd
benneh
Taffy

Cuthillius
dyachei
insomnia*
Achro

Visor
SilverKeith

Ender
Cape*

i kinda think these two are w/v like 90% of the time

feel free to ask questions in the meantime, this is my capping post ill be back in 40 min or so glgl

I believe katze would be hyped. The problem is they are posting a lot. Oh no.

I kinda actually think cuth is a wolf, reading over the posts in the back half of the day is a stark contrast to how I felt earlier (where I thought his posts were fine)

Just a lot of posts in a string that seem to be tripping off my alarms

Like a wolf working the elbow grease

Cuth obv town again and we are at eod whoo.

vote: visor

the student has become the etcetera

Hmm yes

the foreign language tell

gottem

Benneh is incapable of saying a serious word when responding to visor votes.

I think winston is funny and have liked their style so my current poe is made of all the ppl I've had nothing to say about (Visor/Benneh/Ender/Insom) + Taffy who has apparently posted and I should prolly read.

Reasonable list from sk tbh

let's do visor

Winston the GOAT. Miles ahead of my sorry ass lol. Great job.

am i the only one that keeps confusing visor and cuth's posts?

yall should change avatars

This almost feels like open wolfing in wolf visor world.

town will see they have to kill Visor tomorrow

Cape with the GOAT call out.

I don't remember any visor I unironically think this is a wolftell for lack of spice

Sk stocks to the moon

Remember that time day 1 where I tried to kill the n1 kill? Good times. I do always say day ones are my worst days lol

visor what are your actual reads where are you at wrt gamestate overall?

Obv town post

vote: ender

imo its this or cape

sk or visor are acceptable as well

Think this is towny in the spot tbh. Wolves by my narrative with a ladd kill were playing to not rock the boat too much.

idk br0ski, you've made 2 votes, no?

in both of them you vote people of feels that weren't really explained. makes it hard to think you're developing wolf reads for real

Direct aggressive attack on cape feels like it comes from town tbh. It's the directness I like.

visor is the lowest poster in the game and i feel like this is alignment indicative and i might even say its town indicative for him?

Excuses for visor but I also can see town katze thinking this tbf

Visor what are ur reads

Sk trying to sort visor at eod hmm yes yes.

let's give visor another day here

Towny mindset imo wolves would be afraid to be so blatant.

katze/visor/dya

Another 2/3 solve and all 3 wolves over both guesses? Hmm yes.

I think tomorrow taffy can just like. Kill me I guess and I hope my legacy is right. I don't like being in the position to ever be in a game losing chop and they are trying to read way into things. I know how that goes I do that sometimes so I am empathetic at not being able to let go of something no one else sees. Got a little prickly today but I am not upset at taffy they just aren't on the same wavelength as me and haven't been from the start. It's totally chill tbh I have loved most of their posts tho


Anyway back to ctrl f

We could always kill achro

While I was making dinner. Gee. Thanks Visor.

towny post from visor regardless of achro alignment imo

Visor is a tricky one tbh

So ends day 1. My completely ordered reads list is...


Taffy
Cuth
Winston
SK
Katze
Insomnia
-
Wolf-dya
Wolf-benneh

Those top four seem really unaligned from visor. Super unaligned. Katze/insomnia feel unaligned as well but maybe in range of a good wolf. Bottom two are 100% the level one solve though. Not even a question at this point based on interactions.

Day 2!

So now the wolf agenda is updated to:

Attack me
Attack Sk
Attack Taffy
Attack Cuth
Attack Winston

Imo. Those are the five towniest people. So now I will ctrl f visor and then ctrl f the other two potential wolves to see if wolf agenda is being followed or if interesting things are afoot.

Kinda surprised how few people didn't jump off cape at the end but I might be overselling the doubts

I mean. Given his eod this is very lmao in hindsight but apparently my case on visor is very bad or something.

@EnderWiggin

your sr on me is vibes based isnt it? i cant rly uh, help you with that. and my vibes today will probably not be great, maybe ill feel better tomorrow and my VIBES will be immaculate but meh, i might just ask if you'd be willing to truce w me for today and i can give you a proper burial at EoD
@Visor

why achro?

also why are you a villager but this question is boring so if you give me a boring answer i wont rly blame you but while i am poking insomnia harder than i am poking you i am more actively concerned with your alignment than his
@Achro

not a loaded question: why didnt you do anything overnight

Good post front katze hmm yes.

actually, I disagree. I really liked your post about cape that came right before sk said that - you said something about cape's read on visor being one of the best in the game because visor wasnt funny enough

Dya says visor's name but does not talk about visor.

i really dont think it's visor/katze but I also dont think I can articulate why

I do think visor is wolfy af though which worries me because last time he was a wolf he try-harded

So worried they were that they did nothing about it day 1 at any point other than to express vague concern. Hmm yes.

oh hi dya

i think in terms of players i could be paired with visor makes some sense like

if he said it was me/achro or me/you id probably bonk him in the head

Towny post imo

actually i changed my mind i dont feel like realtiming tonight im just going to go reread the game and see what my autistic ass brain decides to do with it

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achro->SK
achro->dya

does achro really intend to only read me off of results this game

i still kinda viscerally dislike a lot of achros early postings but i don't really think i can put why into words still beyond "how does he believe the words he is saying"



i am taking minor grievances on insomnia not picking up on a very obvious joke. what that means for his alignment who will know but im commenting anyway because i feel like there's someone out there who has some nerdy analysis on how not getting jokes when you ordinarily do get jokes is actually alignment indicative



benneh is a villager



man this shit so feels like a trap question though?

my read on him to this point had cited the word "vibes" like multiple times, my front row seat to achros wolf game wouldn't mean shit here and if anything me being paranoid because i watched him bus his bros and post a billion times after a weaker start whichis not that far off this game is like

yeah sure its not something you should clear a good player for but for him to go onto making a big show about this just seems disingenuous to me and i know he later says it was mostly for reactions and he didnt like mine yadda yadda yadda but that doesn't really change the fact that i don't think that the world of "achro is a villager and this post right here is the start of him doing some reaction testy shit", i think if he's town this was a genuine question and if hes wolf then it was a trap question and either way he just eased it into a reaction thing later

on the other hand i don't rly think achro knows my towngame THAT well so i don't know if w!him really knows what to expect here. if he knew me better id say this is even worse but his saving grace is that the only game we've played together i was a villager and. it was not a normal game

subconsciously this might have been how i felt a bit in realtime



anyway unrelated to all of the above. actually directly related. visor like, does not at all comment onit. he makes a post with a wolf team guess that includes achro and im sure if you ask him he'd probably say that might have influenced it, but like. hes literally NOT TOUCHING IT at all.

which is weird. and i know he would say "i dont want to deal with that shit" but man, there's like three wallposts of me and him spilling our hearts and hes just like "hey benneh, hru"



and his next post is just kinda

in my current worldview its pretty laddavi.gif, maybe taffys a wolf and im GETTING SNOWED (VISOR LOOK I SAID THE THING) but i don't think they are and from my current view of the game the reads on taffy are like

"taffy is just town" -> a villager (benneh) expresses doubt -> ??? aligned visor shuts it down

worth thinking about i guess.



AND THE GUY WE SHRUGYEETED EVEN AGREES. IM GONNA AVENGE U CAPE. maybe

i love u cape im sorry we did that to you i rly wish you just listened to me at eod but maybe that would have been worse cuz i thought u had good posting catching up until the final stretch

im currently pondering on if achro/visor is an unpairing or not because i am right now wanting to vote both of them but like. i also might think him flat out ignoring me and achros argument and just dropping a 3/3 solve with achro in it might be weird if w/w

but i guess thats not something id bet the game onyet



i have a really really stupid read that SK is a wolf for this post because he, instead of saying *who* he would say to the achro thing, he instead said "oh id just say someone i wanna play with"

this read is probably really dumb but idk it mkes a bit of sense to me???

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING

SK->(e)td

this feels pretty fkn villagery to me

in the sense that i could totally se it being one of those pretty posts a wolfwrites because it looks hella towny

id be very impressed if it was w/w with taffy and if hes a villager id imagine he's got good odds of being right and i agree with the conclusion anyway so like.

+achro
+++taffy


same post

bold is kinda funny given what im thinking rn but also that second bit is...

"can you link me a wolf game where you do [what taffy did]

what does that... accomplish? SK is not taffy

i could probably find a wolfgame ive done that and if i posted it he'd say something about ranges, id reckon that probably applies to SK as well since hes just as good of a wolf as i am? seems weird and achro. knows SK.

um

achro->sk

i think this is villagery vote timing

esp if SK is a wolf

kinda funny that two people (ender/achro) are townreading winston for. suspecting me.

im rolling my eyes and i guess since im posting this probably i shall say this.




why does this post exist what the fuck me



this post feels wrong to me which is weird because my first townping on dya was a similarish post where they were kinda appealing to ladd in a way that it felt like they hoped ladd was town and then here they are clearly stating they think hes town but idk

this might a medya thingbut im noting ti anyway

if taffy sus read later

im still not fully convinced dya isnt doing the bolded kinda even tho the benneh thing is obv the exception

again this isnt a today concern probably but... lets see

first read is light v on achro, then light v on insom, the latter being basically a reply to an insom light v read and the former being consensusish at that point imo

dya then pokes a few people (lightly on me, then on visor and ender) and makes no reads on any

then they drop the benneh wolfread, which is absolutely not consensus



and even this is fairly hedgy but its not bad


this is their "who i would vote rn" list, cape is abso consensus, benneh is abso not. cuth also not i guess but i think he was floated a bit sometime before then... yeah i placed my vote and dya quoted it not that long before. could be coincidental but my read there was tinfoily and i did it partially because i felt like it wasnt consensus so sure

and then sk who at that point was probably kinda split

then they pushed harder on cape, poked visor in a negativeish way, agrees with a "achro is kinda villagery but not omega villagery but day 1 pass" read

then they hedged on cuth some (i think? looks like a bit of + and - from them)

continue pushing cape

and then pushing SK some at eod

meh

im getting AHEAD OF MYSELF but i find it easy to read "w!dya would just post some consensus reads" and then read their reads this game and say theres some parallels!

mrrrrrrrrrrr ok where was i



this whole read on me is

its not great but it does kinda FEEL like v!insomnia words idk but it lik e so blatnatly falls flat on its face if you read the context? at least mostly? idk i guess i can see it as a thought that appeared in their head at some point that they didnt give much thought to and thn katze sus came up and theyre like "oh wait! i had something for this!" and dragged it out and honestly that sounds kinda plausible BECAUSE its obviously unconvincing
hrmm

i feel like insom is v much some1 who just wants to lunch villas as a wolf surely he could do better against a villa like me who just posts dumb shit all the time...?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfuck

i need to sleep on that one

insom

winston made like a borderline identical post to this in our game last year lol

ur a fun guy i will post more big faces at u.



oh this is dyas kinda backpedal on cuth and its in reply to "i scumread cuth, prove me wrong" hmm that changes that prior thing a bit ok hmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay i might be feeling the town dya again

im reading their soul

theyre not sure on cuth rn

they trust ladd, ladd trusts cuth, they dont really trust cuth

but theyre feeling it

they kinda see it

maybe???

im letting this marinate

dya hi

hey u nerd i was JUST about to type that u hadnt made any cap comments!!!!! grrr ok

idk what this means for your alignment mister hughes.

i guess posting 3/3s with literally no comment on the most consensus wolf all game is kinda weird tho idk what kind of



ghoststab



no its not its nai as fuck lol dya will eternally tease me on my record on them until i figure it out



i saw some1 say today that sk popping in for eod was weird but their post b4 this was "im going to sleep" and idk i kinda wanna believe that



visor what are you doing this game



+

yippee postcap lift



lol i kinda wanna clear dya if sk is a wolf it might be dumb but i honestly feel like dya is about to pounce and maul sk and rip the poor kirby to shreds

i FEEL it

kinda like how they sound when i scumread them in a turbo ;)



ok @Achro

im setting you on fire.

why is SK a villager for this post?


why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??


...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting



i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs



banger post



yeah i think SK is actually a wolf

ive been kinda looking at SKs eod and i feel like hes SAYING things but hes not ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE GAME



and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS







awoo







MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod



why

why do you have these thoughts, keith.



yikes



yikes



nah ur right winston that read was garbage

im done reading this game

SK and Achro are blatantly wolves together and Visor is prob the third

im going to bed

bye

1/3 not bad tbh

vote: Achro

dome me, coward.

18/50

Apparently I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this day because this is legitimately funny af lmao. Skill issue tbh

let visor be villagery tomorrow

i want him to have the time

Lmao

okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

-----

i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

-------

dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

Visor's case on me here is sewage and I cut it into pieces as I should have tbh. The fact anyone could read my eod and think this was a town perspective perplexes me severely. Also hey more empty dya sus that's cool.

dya >rand v

after we both confronted eachother i think we both kind of got into the game a bit more and i feel like that helped me get a more solid read on them. think the way they came around on me felt natural too. like, i think the way they initially wolf read me makes sense given how i was playing a little more watch and wait most of day 1 and when i decided to out more of my reads and engage with thread more, i think dya picking up on that and being open to it is prob just villa indicative imo

think the way they came out today pushing sk also feels like quintessential day 2 v!dya (helps i agree with the sk read). kinda matter of fact/to the point

also kinda just trust ladd when he and i agree on dya

achro i have nfi sorry bud

Lmao if the level 1 team is reality. No no, dya is fine. Also the corpse said dya was OK but idk can't hear the corpse about achro sorry mate.

i'm digesting kat's wall post

trying to sort out the kat/visor/achro triumvirate

not that theres anything linking you 3 i just am not sure how i feel about yall today

winston too actually

I bet.

Lmao my 'point on the doll' post. I am a funny guy when I am incredulous tbh.

bottom of my reads because i had villa-ish reads on the rest of the player list but they were not below my 3 primary wolf reads who were taffy/ender/cape

i was far more interested in pursuing ender and taffy at the time of the post. as day moved on taffy felt more villagery on their return so i focused on ender

i'm not sure what i woulda done if i was a little more prsent at eod but c'est la vie and all

I asked why he had dya at the bottom of his read but weren't primary wolf reads like the 3 villagers he just named here.

do me a favor and remind me of this ask 12 hours from now if i dont respond

ive pulled an allnighter prepping somethin for work and my brain is mush rn

This can be your reminder about visor lol

relly feeling like visor is a wolf, particularly after the vote on me

he should know me well enough to have me as a villager at this point but it doesnt feel like he's actually trying to parse my alignment at all

Like he's asking people about me then ignoring it. He's not talked about what makes my posts here wolfy

I think sk looks worse than visor, but I wouldn't mind voting either one

It is like I am watching a textbook on how to distance in this post. The lead with suspicion of a wolf mate based on personal interactions, the stating that someone else looks wolfier though, and saying that they don't mind either one. This is just once again a nothing post about visor.

i think he's just here for the zipline

Benneh try to talk about visor seriously 90% of the time level: impossible

look, the guy posted early d1 and made absolutely no waves with any of his posting. Then he didn't post cap but waited until EOD post cap lifts to come back and play. it was a 48 phase and he wasn't interested in trying to solve until the last hour. I don't think his solving was very enlightened at that time either. Just read his EOD.

I wasn't feeling cape because tbh, cape came back and was like super aggressive about being a wolf read - he wasn't angry per him but he was accusing everyone else. SK fit the picture better but we ended up elimming cape instead. I couldnt be around at EOD to make this more clear becauase that's when we get AMy ready for bed

He could be partners with literally anyone

Visor wants to be walked through sk. Dya gladly gives him an sk case that's thoughtful.

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

Hmm yes taffy with a good game state read.

wya on cuth and insomnia, dya?

I know you said you wolf read me but give me more reads please ty

i certainly didnt tryhard the last game i played on here as a villager lol

Just words to dya. No real oomph either way.

could be a wolf. I have a hard time reading him but I thought his eod was wolfier than villagery if that makes sense. Like his reads changed drastically and suddenly and not in a way that really made sense to me

Mmm. Sweet, sweet wolf agenda. Visor is wolfy, but visor's main push is also wolfy. Doesn't mention that when discussing me. Strange. (Sarcasm tag here)

i mean i agree

the thing with achro is he can say all the right things so i dont really care about his defence, i care about the way he projects himself in thread and it comes across as wolfy to me

ill see what sk gets up to overnight i guess

'I do not care about his words' is a fantastic take tbh.

Oh and then visor and dya make up and decide to town read each other. Well isnt that a happy, obviously not paired, ending?

one of my gripes with you is we've been in the thread at similar times before now and you havent tried to have a conversation until now

Wolfy self-awareness that they have both messed up because this has been two ways btw

meh

I know that's not entirely a fair answer. but like. Im kind of middling on him rn. I dont think i want to elim him but Im also not confident he's town

Visor asks where dya is on benneh. Another read that doesn't matter at all. Again I am not saying this has to be the solve but boy is it for sure the easiest one to get to based on how these 3 orbit around one another but do nothing meaningful.

Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."

... ender you were just testing visor to see how he reacted to this because you wanted him to lower his guard right? @EnderWiggin

It feels... painfully obvious in hindsight. Yeah that for sure tilted me for a second lol.

im not particularly a tunneler most of the time and if you'd like i'd be willing to solve with you assuming you're a villager for some of today and see where it goes, i'm aware that regardless of your alignment it'll probably make me townread you some but it'll probably be fun and if i'm wrong on wolfreading you then perhaps you can help me find where im wrong in my towns
@Achro
EnderWiggin

Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius

katze
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
insomnia
Visor

from my understanding this is ~vaguely where you're at, so lets work from here. i was gonna say to not bother with me but given one of my confusions w you rn involves me, i'm fine talking about me

i expect this to go nowhere or eat my entire postcap but given tomorrow im going to have a long day at work i dont rly mind

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Great reads list hmm yes. The fact that katze wanted to work with me when I had that reads list that very likely has 2/3 of the wolf team at minimum makes me feel good about Kat's town chances tbh.

ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think

Hmm yes. Katze is solving well imo. Dya has tmi and katze is town and very town for tilting their head at that take. Okay katze and I have randed v/v and will win the game now sorry haters.

This is my I havent totally cleared them list
Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
Achro
katze

of these, I think SK/achro/visor makes the most sense. but as you can see, there's room for error

Wolfy agenda again from dya.

gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

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It is because he is howling and fake solving, milord.

Okay up to page 14.

a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool

@Cuthillius iyo would dya/benneh fit that criteria of 'high confidence in their wolf team'

visor/achro/katze

I appreciate you got the visor one right at least.

Oh also visor benneh dya have kind of been gassing cuth up all day. So what would the agenda be there hmm.

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

Visor says this is a villagery post and I agree. I believe he is absolutely correct on benneh but I doubt it's katze. Could be. But very complex game if so.

I thought visor and benneh were unpaired when I was looking through visor's iso fwiw.

Hello past Chris. You were probably wrong. But that's why we re-evaluate these days

first part of d1, dya is so townie

dgaf vibes, clear process, town intent

since then, dya's been fine

i'd like to see more fire

We have been tricked and deceived milord.

i’ll add dya in the winston tier

katze / sk / visor / benneh

idk if this can have 3 wolves but let’s see if there’s magic in PoE

Insomnia with a good poe when reading through the game imo. Towny.


Page 15 time very hype tbh almost done. Been working on this for awhile now lmao. Over night reading since visor is dead and I probably post this closer to eod to see how dya and benneh do. Secret stuff. Lmao. Actually what a great idea. I am just going to lie and say I had nothing ready and just reaction test stuff. Oh what fun I will have. Although less fun if am severely skill issued but I see no evidence of that currently so we tread on.

Thx cuth I just wanted to see what ladd's reads were

Ok sure

Vote:Visor

Sk with the very based vote from ladd's legacy tbh.

humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next

2/3 cuth doing good solving.

if insomnia is a villager id declare myself lock clear for not trying to kill insom over cape at eod

way better value mislunch iyam


yeah but at that point of the game i was being snowed by marmot and logic was posting well enough

so its not like i had a perfect poe, my poe wasnt great, i just had you as a very strong townread

also SK id be kinda willing to realtime w you but idk i might try to preserve posts instead? ill vaguely watch and see what happenz

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I believe you tbh

you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

Lmao. Was really going for the obvious wolf agenda here weren't you buddy. This is such a twisting of ladd's legacy because he later said I was obvious town and later still said I was still obvious town even when pushing him. Not only that but now decides that the one person in ladd's legacy not in the proposed wolf team is the problem. If this is a coincidence it is surely hell of a one.

i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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Katze ready to pounce the wolf most excellent.

Oh yeah that's a pretty towny thought I think. This isn't scum SK speak, at least from what I recall.

sup buddy, I hope I am not as SKILL ISSUE'D as draft mafia

This is post 48, so anyway the potential scum teams with me are wild, jesus what do you guys think I do with wolf partners, torture them? Okay maybe a little.

Anyway TOWN LIST TIME

VERY CONFIDENT HAHAHA I HAVE META ON SOME OF YOU
Ender
Dya
Winston (Town Poisoner, apparently, alright)
Taffy (lowering because I don't know them, but I am still pretty fucking sure that vote on me was pure)
SK
Cuth (Taking Ender's word on this one, if he is wrong it is his skill issue not mine)
Katze (This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)


Lock Wolf
Visor

He... literally went on a multiple post rant about how I didn't do enough at eod to save cape when I did everything to save cape and he didn't care that Insomnia did literally nothing in real time. If he is town, that is a hopeless skill issue on his part and I am never finding him lmao.

Oh wait there's only two other players
Insomnia
Benneh

Hm.

I didn't think Benneh was very partnered with Visor tbh, quite the opposite in fact. I think I have 2/3 of the wolves here though or perhaps I am still skill issue'd somewhere.

I probably am tbh

but if I am on Visor then I am just going to sulk in a corner tbh.

This is post 48 and I am not at all interested in having thread control, although I have 3 posts left because I had to waste one clearing multi quote and I am RECLAIMING MY TIME.

I am in better spirits now. I ate, and now I am just having fun with this game even though my mafia IQ tells me town loses like 90% of the time, I just don't know if town is the problem or I am the problem xd.

Glad I worked past my skill issue on benneh already. I got dya wrong but that's OK I wasn't really looking deeply there yet and I don't know insomnia very well. Not bad at all tbh.

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

Yeah you're town probably. Sorry I gave you a tough time when you were trying to keep up with the spin cycle that is my brain. I am basically gojo from the present in JJK half the time and gojo in the past when he was tweaking out following his awakening the other half. Sometimes things go crazy lol.

I am very cute I tend to do that to people

You are @SilverKeith I am glad we are (likely) towning again together. Very hype.

still v, probly not 'top town'? i feel pretty confident they are v and its more than just agreeing with their push on sk

if sk is a villa ... hmmm. visor probly lock wolf in that scenario? achro i think looks bad too tbh tho i dont think he can be paired with visor

So glad after we murder sk in this world you are offering the low posting wolf to us as a gift. Although who knows if that would have stayed true in reality.

i actually don't know if visor looks worse if sk flips v or w here

feels like his SK vote could be a concesssion to bus with his progression

i don't agree sk's posts have been villagery since he's showed back up fwiw

Quick, throw em off the scent!

(Too late)

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Nah jk right back to power wolfing and bringing the game likely into lylo after a session of sleep with plenty of chop targets in town and you three having done some nominal distancing.

I wont bother quoting visor's two walls about thoughts on the game they largely reinforce stuff.

I dont think ender gave it away too much beyond nominal distancing if this

hardclaim?

I got caught up and still wanted it between sk and visor so I'm fine with this, but I guess if you're dying I want to know more

Lmao

vote: visor

Ah dya finally decides to vote the wolf. Excellent.

achro/sk fit?

Blatant wolf agenda milord

Then today has been a mess of multi-way bussing and I don't believe that.

Maybe I'm blind on it but the way Achro went after Visor actually felt unaligned.

You are not blind. I was just my usual town fish self. You probably won't be alive when you read this but I am glad we found each other early. It was fun playing with you again. Sorry for making you paranoid by being too agreeable I am trying to be nicer lmao.

Maybe it's Cuth and I'm just a sucker. =P

Nah he doesn't have a wolfy bone in his body imo

Ah katze called me a nerd. *glances up* correct.

i feel really weird about achro continuing to push this narrative where winston is the poisoner and so I'm posting about it in hopes that if i die, someone else will look into it

Wolf agenda. Just... blatantly continuing to shade me and act like visor achro makes any sense despite the dead town and the dying town going 'no it doesnt' just going for the power wolfing without an ounce of subtly. I kind of hope I am wrong tbh.

its obvious in hindsight for me. As I was catching up with EOD I was like...ender is being pretty wolfy but also not. I wonder if he's a wolf. Then he outed as pr and I was like oh yeah. those guys are usually pretty wolfy in thread

It really wasn't that obvious tbh

I appreciate that taffy is still living the wolf achro dream tbh. The truth is visor wasnt going to suddenly shift all his reads he had been pushing all day even if he did catch in to maybe something being wrong.

And I am caught up with thread. I will leave the spoiler tag here. I will be real timing at eod. Fun.

Tl;dr is that the team of visor/dya/benneh fits perfectly into my world of the scum plan day 1 surrounding cape and taffy, the death of ladd and pushing his legacy in spotty ways to suit wolf agenda, and to set up the required chops on town to win wolves the game. Additionally their play around each other has LOOKED unpairing at times, but as you dive deeper into the conversation you notice there is always either a stillness to their reads of one another or a vague movement where someone is wolfy, only for it always to be resolved internally between them and swept under the rug. They say each other is suspect at times, but never do anything about it nor express this suspicion when others ask. Benneh was worried about visor's vibe earlier in day 1 but when ladd, who trusted benneh, inquired to benneh, he said visor was v. To give one example. Dya also had a lot of wolfy self awareness and not convincing conversations with these two.

Further still, the six other slots I read as town have ranging from incredibly unpartnered/non wolf agenda consistent posting to good posting. I would be shocked and completely impressed if any of them are scum atm. I do recognize this is a level 1 solve though and those can at times be wrong. I think benneh is more blatant than dya, but it's really hard to ignore the consistent wolf agenda pushing from dya on regards to cape and now later in day 2 me.

[Visor]

you just outed me as a pr for nothing lol

wolves just get a free rolecop

unbelievable.

[EnderWiggin]

oh my god i fucking claimed for nothing i am going to punt you into the sun

I mean I was gonna lead on you anyway so this is just acceleration of the last minute claim process

[Achro]

Sorry that it got so long, I was under the assumption that the Visor portion was absolute and that the day was set. Sigh.

Oh well.

[Achro]

If visor is this skill issue'd as a town on how he approached me and as vig didnt put me out of my misery I am going to be pretty mad ngl

[katze]

24 hour mark claims get less hard traction in terms of serious reactions.

id agree if you read my reaction as towny like it is :P

memes aside i. get the idea of reaction baiting, id do it myself, just... ugh, i think you waited too long to come clean lol

like way too long

whatever, we can talk bout that another time maybe, i won't harp on it

[Visor]

Vote: Taffy

[Cuthillius]

what the fuck

[EnderWiggin]

Idk if skill issue but I actually don't want Visor. If he shoots and isn't a 1 shot that's actually pretty mech clearing unless poisoner is /actually/ town

[Cuthillius]

If visor is this skill issue'd as a town on how he approached me and as vig didnt put me out of my misery I am going to be pretty mad ngl

this is a wild take

[Achro]

yeah ender got to say man... I wrote a lot of that case under the assumption that things were chill today. I kind of used most of my energy.

Stupid fps tbh

[Visor]

achro = wolfy

these are the facts ppl dont want u to kno

[Cuthillius]

Idk if skill issue but I actually don't want Visor. If he shoots and isn't a 1 shot that's actually pretty mech clearing unless poisoner is /actually/ town

better hope wolves don't have jk/rb because otherwise there goes town kp dude

[Totally not Taffy]

LET

ME LIVE

goddamnit.

the one goddamn time i rand vig and try to play it safe i get this nonsense happening

the poisoner is a friggin wolf, which should be obvious given they posioned claimed pr ender

SO I AM A VILLAGER.

Earlier you said you didn't want to claim because of the specific role you were. Of all roles, vig is not one who needs to fear claiming, bc they still get to shoot if wolves kill them for being a PR.

You are very much a wolf.

[Achro]

this is a wild take

Man, I don't care ok? Like, you're a wild take. Get out of my face about how I solve. I've had it up to here.

[nebjiamn]

lol
lmao

[katze]

skimming achro wall cause words



where does dya come from here? i am not dya even if we are both cat people

[Cuthillius]

softclaim town poisoner

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


Visor(5): Achro, SK, insom, Taffy, cuth
katze(2): Benneh, WH
Taffy(1): Visor
SK(1): Dya

sleep(1): katze

[nebjiamn]

honest to god its probly achro/silverkeith/cuth

ender you dingus

[Achro]

skimming achro wall cause words



where does dya come from here? i am not dya even if we are both cat people

I promise everything is answered lol