13er summer game thread

[Achro]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

Yes, I'll do that now for you. I have a couple of questions down below for you if you could, thank you.


@katze

Did you follow along the light 15er I played at all with Sea Shell where I tried to be a gyarados? In it I found two mafia partners because they spoke to each other in a way that wolf wouldn't generally do to town because they knew they could get away with it.
@Winston Hughes I want your thoughts as well on this interaction, I have already sold benneh I think on cuth (and cuth can of course respond, just giving thoughts)

vote: silverkeith

it's literally mechanics

vote: cuthillius.


mech this you filthy wolf

I don't actually disagree with cuth that much on his mech read and I'm making shit up to win the argument but I think that

- him saying my points didn't make sense
- Proceeding to only focus on this part of the game (visor's claim) that isn't really relevant to the game, while THE REST OF THE GAME IS HAPPENING
- giving me shit for it even if me being "wrong" about mech isn't even meaningful

is actually wolfy.

Note: SK then the next day wasn't even going to bother waiting for Cuth to respond to wall after wall of posts thinking he was wolfy. After saying this day 2. Someone, Winston you think Cuth is town so help me out, explain to me why wolf SK doesn't target V!Cuth there in V! me worlds. I guess the 'problem' of course is that Winston doesn't think I am a villager right now. But from my perspective I can find no reason why SK wouldn't have done this cross instead.

or maybe you are just sleep deprived

I moved to benneh because I was trying to compromise

I tried lol

ok can we just kill sk

Sorry I don't buy that you think visor is clear for his claim.

I'd buy if you were willing to give him another day but saying a claim clears him is bs.

Like it's just words he's a good wolf how tf could it clear him.

Why does W!SK ever talk to V!Cuth like this and start a vanity wagon on him?

?????????

this is the most pointless interaction i have had all game and that's saying something

w/w

I am looking you dead in the eyes Benneh lol

sk/benneh
katze/insom/taffy?

Cuth can you explain what this post means exactly? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
@Cuthillius

Also while you are here I saw this looking up benneh stuff, and I am confused

uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)

Here you call dya '100% a villager' but today you are more modest, not claiming credit and saying.

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

Can you see from an objective POV why I have trouble thinking that these two statements align? I am not arguing in bad faith, I am not saying this is a silver bullet. It's just... you tell me today it wasn't a strong v read, but in the moment you said dya was basically lock town. That doesn't fill me with confidence that I am being spoken to with the truth.

[Winston Hughes]

so it's benneh/achro vs cuth/katze?

[katze]

@katze

Did you follow along the light 15er I played at all with Sea Shell where I tried to be a gyarados? In it I found two mafia partners because they spoke to each other in a way that wolf wouldn't generally do to town because they knew they could get away with it.

i didnt rly follow that game no, at least like. i looked at flips and jumped to random VCs but not enough to know what ur talking about

also, katze, benneh actually voted sk at eod2 lmao

EOD2 update.

End day tally


Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender


Tie resolved randomly

Visor has been chopped! He flips town vigilante!

EnderWiggin has also died! He flips town motion detector!

SOD3 in 21h50 minutes roughly. NAs due one hour before.

glglgl

well unless its exactly achro/winston then a wolf voted SK at eod

[Cuthillius]

ok that's not the point though

you asked why benneh's push on sk d2 looks better than other people's

[Cuthillius]

I will note, Winston, if dead villagers mean anything to you that I believe every one of them but 2 had me as obvious villager, including Ender and Insomnia EOD2 (Insomnia Day 3 as well iirc)

ok but if we're playing this game i have you beat there

literally every dead villager had me as top town

except maybe taffy? i don't remember what taffy's reads were at all

but otherwise

[Cuthillius]

achro i just realized maybe where we're not meshing is that i don't think benneh was ever gonna go over d2 in any world?

like maybe if i had been like ah everyone get on board let's kill him

but like the thread wasn't going in that direction and it would have been an objectively bad play there

and i would have vocally opposed that yeet always

[Cuthillius]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

[nebjiamn]

I wonder if achro knows I’m widely considered the goat

he may not know

[nebjiamn]

my kalbi was delicious btw

[Achro]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

[Cuthillius]

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

one happened before you posted yourself clear and one happened after

two different instances

[Cuthillius]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

[Achro]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

[Cuthillius]

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

other way around? i thought you were fairly villagery d1, that stuck around through when i thought visor was an outed wolf, and then he wasn't and then you were trying to get me to vote benneh with you while you were still strongly w-reading visor lmao

[Achro]

to clarify, that could happen as a wolf too btw and I would never ask anyone to clear me off of anything like that. I wouldn't be 'faking' it as a wolf, I just have a bad reaction to certain stimuli regardless of alignment in game. I would certainly never fake that, but I could do it as a wolf under the right conditions.