13er summer game thread

[nebjiamn]

lock clear

[Achro]

That wagon formation always chops a wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

lock clear

[nebjiamn]

alright well i've pretty much made up my mind, for better or worse


think i've been weighing too much about achro's 'volatility' in his reads. i clicked thru that vote count winston posted and am reminded of achros reads and pushes and how much they've aligned with what cuth and sk were doing up until 2 days ago when it was pretty crystal clear that that was 2/3.


honestly that vote count from eod1 is pretty gross as im confirmed pushed by 2 wolves (whether its winston or achro) while SK is the counter wagon. but rereading i just don't see the informed pov from winston whereas i see achro pushing w/ cuth on me and then switching to insomnia with sk while lamenting how bad i looked for pushing on 'his villas' (ender) even though several people were pushing on ender


and like, at level 0, i just dont think achro is really going to go and make a 0/3 wolf team in visor/dya/me with 10000 words while visor is confirmed redchecked, but i have issues with how achro then claims it doesn't change his world view much because he found me independently wolfy regardless and then lumped me onto wolf teams with insomnia but the one thing he DIDNT do was try to push me at any point? and then once it became 'clear' to achro that silverkeith was a wolf, he then paired me with sk and it feels like at every point here its been achro appealing to katze/winston that i'm a wolf based on conditionals and NOT because he found me independently wolfy.


meanwhile, at level 0, i have to live in a world where winston is just shooting the shit, katze would have miscleared them the last few days, and he's randing his vote


and its far easier for me to nbelieve winston is just goofin around randing things as a villager and achro is try harding here as a wolf writing cases he knows are based on bad info


and thats simply another piece that scares me: if achro is a villager, he went self contained as a villager after hitting the post cap gbut then when ender revealed that the red check was not true, he did not seem to reconsider visor's place in thread???


and achro comes out today spinning that the wolves had to have been bussing because cuth was a PR poisoner and would want to poison him the next day but .... who was visor shooting? almost certainly within silverkeith or achro! so no, they wouldn't want to pr poison him


this plus all the manipulative play yesterday and the way cuth's posting just doesn't make sense after being voted by achro. he posted as if he'd gave up and it was very obvious a cuth/x team could have won yesterday by skewing katzes or my vote so what reason does he have to giveup? why is he showing such deference to winston and katze and ignoring me? why does the indpendent wolf read on me actually look like a conditional read?


and i think its cause achro is a wolf. maybe he bussed cuth because he probably felt like cuth was dead. maybe its style points. maybe i'm just dead wrong and its obv winston and im a tool for considering otherwise but


idk


i'm ingesting everything all the dead villas have come up with and trying to spin the world so it makes sense in my head and if i'm wrong i am immensely sorry and this is totally on me because i didn't stick to my own initial guts over paranoia and deference to others but i think its achro now and uh ya



vote: achro


sorry if wrong @Achro @Winston Hughes but thats where im at

also sorry if im right and i spoiled your weekend hehe

i have about 20 mins before i head to the party and ill prob post some stuff between then and now if i can but from then on im guessin the game will be over or achro will be trying to case my balls off while im gone and fair enough

winston if you're v then glgl

if you're w please make sure you do a funny slowroll

[nebjiamn]

im going to post a few things proving my innocence that will look dumb if winston comes in and maj's right away but c'est la vie and all cause i have not much time

[Achro]

vote: Benneh

I don't have anything much to say unless Winston asks for something. Since Winston reads the game and doesn't like to be provided cases, I'll respect that. My record and especially my play D3 and D4 in re-evaluating my reads to wolf read SK/Cuth and the work I put into it speaks for itself.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Winston was the wolf here after what I found to be a very pairing EOD2 for Cuth/Benneh.

[nebjiamn]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

vote: Benneh

I don't have anything much to say unless Winston asks for something. Since Winston reads the game and doesn't like to be provided cases, I'll respect that. My record and especially my play D3 and D4 in re-evaluating my reads to wolf read SK/Cuth and the work I put into it speaks for itself.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Winston was the wolf here after what I found to be a very pairing EOD2 for Cuth/Benneh.

and yet despite such confidence and genuine surprise you chose to wait out for winston or i to vote eachother?

sure

[nebjiamn]

again winston yu can see achro is trying to attach my eod2 to cuths eod2 but all it was was cuth attaching to me

i wanted silverkeith dead period over insomnia and visor. i was never dying.

cuth wanted to push insom and silverkeith and hedge on visor. there's no attachment other than cuth voted to bus his bro because what else could he do?

there's no corroboration or conspiracy there. im just a villa who voted right, cuth is a wolf who bussed, and achro is a wolf who voted to kill a pr