This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[nebjiamn]

Lunching Zelda is lame because it doesn’t do anything to resolve the tensions and possible dichotomies in thread.

However, I suppose he has a 40% chance of flipping wolf? So there’s that.

the only dichotomy you should be worrying about is me and ur mom

[Cape90]

What does this post even mean?
Do you think I should be wolfreading you? Are you not fine? Do you disagree with Visor calling you V?

What would your PoE be?

I'm calling your bluff that

If Cape didn’t mention the fact that he does indeed do busy work as a wolf I would be pretty suss

is something you wouldn't actually sus me for, like something I arbitrarily just happened to bring up there.

Also If I didn't say that, trying to push me for not saying that is total blackmail.

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

pzelda(3): Cuth, Cape, Benneh
Gemma(1): Dya
Baudib(1): VIsor

sleep(1): Baudib




EOD in 2 hours, 52 minutes.

[nebjiamn]

pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility

[nebjiamn]

@Visor give ur thoughts on dya whenever u get a chance

[dyachei]

i think zelda is a possibility but he's not a very exciting wolf to catch. I'd prefer to find the partner, probably

And baudib kind of fits that bill for me - he's kind of passive, he's rational with his arguments, which I'm not really used to from his village games. He's usually the kind that doesn't completely explain his reads. He's explaining them here and they make a lot of sense. Idk, it just strikes me as wolfy

[Visor]

pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility

pzelda could be with anyone cmon lol

[Visor]

@Visor give ur thoughts on dya whenever u get a chance

i was going to say that i feel like dya has been more reacting to others rather than being proactive (but i just saw they also think baudib is sus, so time to hard townread dya )

[nebjiamn]

what do you think of visor, dya?

baud's wolfiest post to me was when he talked about how w!me and w!dya would use "i can't read cape" as an excuse to pile on cape. primarily because i never even said that. but it could mean onthing because a lot of ppl seem to have misinterpreted me re: cape

i think its weird for him to be a wolf and make 2 posts about visor (visor is outed! which had jokey tone followed by "visor is outed mafia, thoughts?" which showed he may have actually believed it) and prodding him.

[Cape90]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads

Gemma’s probably too level 1 partnered with Cape for it to be w/w but I hate myself for even saying that.

If Gemma is a villager they’re making reads in a surface level a way that’s probably dangerous. OTOH nothing really has happened, so…

I found this read towny, though in a level 0 world, w/w with Gemma.

Question, do you think baud is wolf shielding you from me?

Dya’s response in #86 is probably > rand V for them.

On a scale of 1 (caught for wrong reasons) and 10 (annoyed villager range) I’d put Dya around a 6.5.

I ask because if they are wolf, they are clearly trying to pocket you.

I also just dunno why

This game doesn’t really start until Visor gets here imo.

This opinion exists, though it lines up with their later calling Visor wolf I suppose

Visor is outed mafia!

visor is obvious mafia. Thoughts?

Looking back, this backing off of suspicion on Visor looks strange though.

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

Visor has continued to defend me this game after this, I know that.

I forgot that boob1 openwolved here

If this were a turbo I’d say Benneh giving Taffy a tonal V read is probably V for him because the turbo population isn’t great at reading her.

I, on the other hand, refuse to give Taffy a V!lean (cuz I’m a wolf ldo).

So yeah, this is him openwolfing, whatever that means for him.

Taffy seems V

As I said, this is agreeable, and I like when it was said. But I was tinfoiling that that could mean they were wolf, but I was giving townpoints for it.

I liked that boob1 was getting down to business immediately, though looking back, I probably placed them too high on my list

saying things like

Why am I V? I’ve done nothing.

Can sometimes come from wolf

TO EXPAND ON MY LAST POST

Forgot to mention baud's literal earlier read on me

Cape’s style is completely different in turbos and mashes.
I can see a world where W!Benneh or W!Dya uses “I can’t really read Cape” as an excuse to use kind of throw their hands up and encourage pushes on him. Can also see W!Cape trying to sow distrust among strong villagers, but I’m not quite sure that’s his wolfing style.

I’m not inclined to go there today when he’s seemingly generating more mafia related content than anyone else so far.

If you want a hottish take, the wolf sitting back and watching with glee here could be Jan.

So baud turning around and being like "if cape didn't say some arbitrary thing, he's kinda wolfy" is kinda wolfy to me, because before this they were asking how good they are at reading me, and I said above average.

Yeah boob1 gets it wrong sometimes, but they have an ~okay read on me in at least turbos fwiw (oh my god cape bringing this up again ), though both him and me are obviously playing very different here so...

[nebjiamn]

i was going to say that i feel like dya has been more reacting to others rather than being proactive (but i just saw they also think baudib is sus, so time to hard townread dya )

i will say i had some minor reservations about dya early but the more they've posted the more i've felt they're in their v meta

i think i should trust the long term tell more than my gut cause my gut sucks at reading them but ya

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm done with dinner, I'm caught up, I'm here till EoD. Have some posts open I want to comment on but if posting here picks up I'll leave that till tomorrow.

[Totally not Taffy]

Main takeaway from catching up is that Dyachei has grown on me.

Also agree with Benneh's take on Pzelda.

[Visor]

to be clear im not against pzelda dying

i just think baudib is (actively) wolfy

[Totally not Taffy]

why is contradictory wolfy

Because wolves sometimes pretend to have one attitude that they think is towny while their actions betray a different one. Here hypothetically it would have been "I don't want to read = look at me not being very invested in this game" in opposition with "making game-related posts instead of rvs shitposting = actually I do care about what's happening". Ofc him not being here supports the former and means the following posts were just "trying to get into the game and failing".

Gemma how many games have you played? Have we ever played together

uh

idk

a lot

why

doubt we've played together

Who are the ppl here that you have played with before, if any?

because if jan is a wolf he has zero control over the gamestate and probably dies to poe day 4 after iguessimbussing his team

Can you explain how Jan has less influence on gamestate than you or I do? What does the bolded mean?
@Gemma

[dyachei]

It's too early for me to have a read on visor benneh but if baud is a hit I think visor looks pretty good.

Also yes cape I think baud has tried to pocket me here and it makes sense from both alignments for him because I Elim him pretty often and he tends to be afraid of me specifically as a wolf.

Not everyone just treats me as a wolf from the get go though so there is room for him to be a villager, I'm just getting really concerned he isn't one

[Totally not Taffy]

Everyone just pretended that Visor wasn’t outed so …. OK I guess?

tbh I thought you were joking / fishing for reactions when you called him outed, what do you think he did beforehand that was particularly AI in your opinion?

I suppose Visor would not be so charitable to Cape as a wolf.

He was very uncharitable to Wisdom last game where they were both town. I don't think it's AI tbh.

Cuth and Benneh both tried to spew me as their wolf partner. WOW!

How because I missed it.

@baudib1

[Totally not Taffy]

i kind of want people to expand on their baud reads

During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.

I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.

Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.

I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
@dyachei

[Raskolnikov]

Votecount

pzelda(3): Cuth, Cape, Benneh
Gemma(1): Dya
Baudib(1): VIsor

sleep(1): Baudib




EOD in 1 hours, 30 minutes.

[dyachei]

During my first catchup I noticed Baudib voicing comments a few times that I also had, which might mean they were level 1 thoughts and easy to fake for a wolf but then again nobody else seemed to be making them. If you want I can search for them by tomorrow.

I don't find him as passive if I'm honest (or at least not moreso than the other players) and I also don't necessarily see how his reads are all rational, for example the "Visor outed wolf" bit that seemingly came out of nowhere (assuming he was serious about that bc I honestly didn't take it as such when I first read it). His thoughts also feel like they're meandering which I find towny if not unfakeable. See for example him first saying he won't townread me and then doing so anyway later.

Also I disagree with you that Baudib and Visor don't have partner equity, I could see Baudib fishing about people's positions towards his partner earlier and Visor now pushing him for future cred at a time when Baudib has almost zero chance of going over iyam. Which is not the same as me now having scumreads on either of them.

I can't find the quotes anymore but I also wanted to tell you and Benneh that the idea of Cape (or any wolf in a 10-player game with presumably only one partner) coming in thinking "let's piss off Dyachei on p1 that's a great tactic that surely won't blow up in my face" is inconceivable to me. Even if he's a wolf I won't believe pushing you was premeditated.
@dyachei

I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.

I don't think he set off to choose violence though

[Visor]

lets kill baudib palios

[Totally not Taffy]

Reminder to self to read pzeldas posts tomorrow but quick snippets seemed yikes

This post isn't great but I guess it's hard to have a real opinion on his posts

Thought rescinded

Visor can you explain the process behind these posts please. "Snippets" makes it sound like you've already looked at them just not in-depth (which is weird for only four posts), and why if you wanted to look at them tomorrow did you do it immediately anyway?

to be clear im not against pzelda dying

i just think baudib is (actively) wolfy

Sell me on wolf!Baudib please.

@Visor

[Raskolnikov]

EOD in 1 hour folks (tally's unchanged)

[Totally not Taffy]

pzelda/visor feels like a real possibility

Why these two in particular?

ok now what

Vote: Sleep

Ok now what

Ok someone explain the meme to me?

[Totally not Taffy]

I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.

I don't think he set off to choose violence though

I am not crazy you both did say this:

I think cape came into this game expecting to push me and is doing exactly that. Idk if cuth was joking or actually telling me it was a wolfy sup (I suspect joking) but it set the mood for how people are treating me this game and tbqh I'm over it entirely.

idk about cape. i dont think mentioning self meta for him here is AI. but i'm looking at his push on dya and i can sorta believe it from his pov but it also feels like he jumped right into it in a pre-planned sorta way

[Cuthillius]

i uh

really don't want to kill baudib if he's not here

[Cuthillius]

that said

i did just read over him and i'm not like stoked about his body of work

and he doesn't look partnered with pzelda at a glance

but i still feel more comfortable going there today

[dyachei]

I am not crazy you both did say this:

Yes because cuth was already playfully doing so

[baudib1]

Vote: Gemma

[Cape90]

I don't mean it was premeditated. I think he saw other people push me and thought yes, I'll do that and I don't think it means a ton about his alignment. But it did set the tone for how people interacted with me this game. And I'm typically not an easy read d1 but almost everyone has felt compelled to give a read on me today.

I don't think he set off to choose violence though

what do you mean by that though? Nobody this game has pushed you before me

This thought just also lacks follow up... like why? In the other games I checked out, it's not like you really became a major wagon in any of those

Also baudib's interactions with your slot are part of the reason why you have stated you are suspicious of baudib, so didn't that literally give you information to work off of?

My general reaction to this entire post is "okay and?"

I'm trying to wrap my head around why people trying to solve and give reads on you is a problem right now? We are in a 10 player game, there isn't a lot of options to NOT try to solve everyone early, this isn't a mash to where there are just ignorable slots