This is Football! (Closed 10er)

[Cuthillius]

besides if i hadn't been pushing pzelda as much as i was there and other people agreeing i assume visor wouldn't have been going as hard as he did on baud

[Cape90]

I would also say that Visor is being a tad disingenuous with his whole "I am the reason why baud died along with dya" thing

lets do it

#anticuthgang

This also looks like a w/w interaction at a glance

Votecount

Cuth(3): Visor, baudib, Jan
baudib(3): Benneh, Cape90, Cuth
Taffy(1): Gemma





EOD in 30 minutes

especially when this is what a VC looked like near the end of day 2

[Cape90]

meant to swap the 3rd quote and 2nd quote there, but whatever

[Cape90]

Tbh baudib if you aren't a wolf I'd punt cuth into the sun

So if you vote there id consider it

like to me, this whole cuth saga makes me skeptical to just slam the Cuth button

[Cape90]

i know benneh would want me to just slam the cuth button though

[Cuthillius]

i know benneh would want me to just slam the cuth button though

benneh had me above visor in his reads yesterday~

[Visor]

I would also say that Visor is being a tad disingenuous with his whole "I am the reason why baud died along with dya" thing



This also looks like a w/w interaction at a glance



especially when this is what a VC looked like near the end of day 2

i wanted to espouse i thought cuth was a wolf

but (as jan implied earlier) i was never doing anything other than voting baudib

[Cuthillius]

i wanted to espouse i thought cuth was a wolf

but (as jan implied earlier) i was never doing anything other than voting baudib

that would have ruined the whole point of you pushing baud, but it did start a wagon on me (baud/jan) that could have pretty easily gone over there (and would have if the people who were afk didn't come back into thread, moot a point as that may be)

[Cuthillius]

wait nvm i can't count even a little bit

[Cuthillius]

at the time it seemed like i might die from a rand there because nobody was around

[Cuthillius]

or that other people would vote me a la jan

[Cape90]

Fucking betrayal wow

idk man, im seeing things that sort of point to visor

[Cape90]

esp since baud wasn't opposed to openwolving (clearly)

[Visor]

idk man, im seeing things that sort of point to visor

oh my god stop being bad lol

[Visor]

cape look at the ways we approached baudib d1

baudib had multiple townreads (nucluding from myself!) early d1, and then i flipped it and pushed him and dya joined me

if my bro is being townread, why would i flip on him, its dumb

cuth hard pushed pzelda to die d1, and wrote bullshit around baudib i already pointed out was bad yesterday

ww is not that hard

taffy believed me smh and yall killed her

[Cuthillius]

cape look at the ways we approached baudib d1

baudib had multiple townreads (nucluding from myself!) early d1, and then i flipped it and pushed him and dya joined me

if my bro is being townread, why would i flip on him, its dumb

cuth hard pushed pzelda to die d1, and wrote bullshit around baudib i already pointed out was bad yesterday

ww is not that hard

taffy believed me smh and yall killed her

you're way overrepresenting baud's state in the thread he was seen as a cut more villagery than pzelda but that's not saying much but otherwise was at the bottom of the general poe otherwise

and thus teeing up a bus in advance where there's no big risk of it happening d1 and guarantees you endgame just makes sense

again I'm missing the puzzle piece of why you went for that strategy specifically but there are plenty of possible reasons

[Visor]

okay @Cape90

i am going to the mountains tomorrow (for real, this isnt a euphemism) so i will not be super around for the day phase, though i will check in mornings and nights

let me lay out some shit (that ive already said)

first: cuths eod1 is really bad, the hard pushign of pzelda without conisderation fo other wagons (i already went over this yesterday)

second: i was like the first person to push baudib and i flipped a town read on him completely unnecessarily to make him a wagon when the whole game was townreading him

third: cuth made an awful push on taffy beacuse taffy is easy to misskill, (just ask me, ive done it plenty of times lmao)

yes this is a lower effort game from me, and i haven't been super forthright and playing hard, but i don't think my play has been unreadable

the fact is, I wolfed against baudib on here a while back, and he was a constant inquisitive thorn in my side, constantly trying to put the puzzle together

here he had an opening with joie de vivre, which led me to townreading him initially, but when i realised that hey, he isn't actually DOING anything to push the game forward, i was like nah bro passive af cya l8r fr fr 100 no cap bless up or whatever the kids say these days

he replied to a bunch of stuff but he wasnt engaging in the act of genuine solving



when it comes to cuth, my initial dislike of his posts stem from some of his overly wordy (poetry) posts which felt like pontificating on rubbish

and then i read over the rest of his posts and agreed with myself (wow) (and his d1 abotu pzelda/naudib was really bad)

but the kernel of everything is simply d1 imo, its the purest day. my progression on baudib is much purer than cuths and thats all that matters.

[Cuthillius]

the way I see it visor's play yesterday was a win win situation for him

he has the cred but can't bolster it too much without people questioning him surviving to f3 potentially but benefits massively from killing me over taffy

so he couldn't have gotten that much more engaged if he wanted to without putting himself in a less comfy situation, and jan had already showed openness to voting me d2 and you were questioning my alignment and taffy would self pres

and i don't think we were that far from me going over yesterday and then we'd be even more fucked here than we are

[Visor]

cuth had nothing to do with baudib dying (he actively prvented it d1)

he bussed d2, sure, but baudib was dead in the water then i was gonna tunnel him into fuckig oblivion and wolves cut their losses and killed dya which made it even more obv he was a wolf

[Visor]

Votecount

Gemma(2): Benneh, Dya
pzelda(2): Cuth, Cape

sleep(1): Baudib

i dunno if id call his post getting down to business

(also dont really have a problem with contradictory behaviour (that said, id love to see moer from him))

im thinking of flipping my read on baudib, feels really passive

Vote: Baudib

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh

i mean or we're just off

or this is tense

but this doesn't really feel tense it just feels like people are having a hard time posting

i think zelda is a possibility but he's not a very exciting wolf to catch. I'd prefer to find the partner, probably

And baudib kind of fits that bill for me - he's kind of passive, he's rational with his arguments, which I'm not really used to from his village games. He's usually the kind that doesn't completely explain his reads. He's explaining them here and they make a lot of sense. Idk, it just strikes me as wolfy

these posts are in order on d1 (i believe)

look at that tally, double villa wagons

i vote a wolf out of the blue

cuth pushes for pzelda

dya backs me up on baudib

i am the leading cause of baudib getting any traction.

thats the ball game

[Cuthillius]

why would i shoot jan here literally ever

why would visor shoot jan here? because he's the most widely v read person other than visor and it sets up an easy endgame where visor never dies

[Visor]

this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh
this feels like a pzelda wolf threadstate tbhtbh

[Cuthillius]

i happily concede that i had a worse progression on the wolf than his teammate who bussed him hard since late d1 in a way that maximizes credit while minimizing risk of baud dying prematurely and also offers the option of me getting wagoned over baud eod2

no argument there

[Cuthillius]

sure let's talk about that post

the thread was dead

it felt like nobody cared and more than that that people were having a hard time caring

pzelda had made like five posts that were incredibly wolfy and then dipped

i thought the threadstate matched one in which they had a partner but partner felt like their hands were tied/were having a hard time wimming it up

this would not be the true of any other individual wolf in that gamestate

i thought pzelda was wolfy and in that context this seemed like the most plausible explanation for me of why the thread was so apathetic

[Cape90]

cape look at the ways we approached baudib d1

baudib had multiple townreads (nucluding from myself!) early d1, and then i flipped it and pushed him and dya joined me

if my bro is being townread, why would i flip on him, its dumb

cuth hard pushed pzelda to die d1, and wrote bullshit around baudib i already pointed out was bad yesterday

ww is not that hard

taffy believed me smh and yall killed her

because it's only the 2 of you as mafia, duh

[Cape90]

why would i shoot jan here literally ever

why would visor shoot jan here? because he's the most widely v read person other than visor and it sets up an easy endgame where visor never dies

how about, he was a person that was never losing a final 3 when the rest of us looked worse then Jan? Doesn't seem that hard to me, i kinda called Jan being the NK because it felt obvious to me tbh

[Cuthillius]

how about, he was a person that was never losing a final 3 when the rest of us looked worse then Jan? Doesn't seem that hard to me, i kinda called Jan being the NK because it felt obvious to me tbh

sure it's a reasonable nk for like anyone other than me lol

but i would just kill visor if i was a wolf here

there would be zero upside to bringing someone who buried baud into f4/3 with me and has been tunneling me since (inclusive) especially if there's likely to be a pr and thus clear alive (since i don't think jan had much of any pr equity from the way he played all game)

[Visor]

Cape have you read my posts

Have you read the cuth posts I've quoted

[Cuthillius]

and in case you're thinking to yourself well what if w!cuth didn't expect village kp and thought he'd be in f4 with benneh who had him as his top town of the remaining people at some point yesterday

a) it's a 10er there was almost always gonna be kp and this was the last moment b) i still thought visor was pr and that's clear if you read my posts yesterday c) jan was pretty clearly not pr and if i kill him there's a town pr in f4 meaning there's no point even sleep and then the best possible outcome for me is 2v2 onto you and that's if town has no kp e) visor dying overnight would maybe indicate me a bit but not a Ton it's plausible from several different people

it would be straight up suicidal for me to shoot jan here as a wolf

[Cape90]

sure it's a reasonable nk for like anyone other than me lol

but i would just kill visor if i was a wolf here

there would be zero upside to bringing someone who buried baud into f4/3 with me and has been tunneling me since (inclusive) especially if there's likely to be a pr and thus clear alive (since i don't think jan had much of any pr equity from the way he played all game)

my argument lies in both me and visor are more pushable, also saying that jan was obviously not PR is total WIFOM, I had other ppl in mind that spewed themselves not PR at all. Like thinking about it from the POV of t!Jan pushing w!you and let's say im the decider as you argue you would have killed Visor as wolf, I would have an easier time killing you then Jan in that match up

this is why I find your logic to be questionable