17er Saints and Martyrs

[Murska]

So I've listed some vibes in a notepad over the day and now's about the time to list what I think

I got a town vibe off nebjiamn for posts 137 and 166. Nothing they've done afterwards has dispelled that. Valid and original observations and points.

EnderWiggin pinged me a bit with post 132, and complaining about 'always looking sus' always gives me the creeps. Hasn't done much today imo

Zack is highly town both by consensus and, well, his posts just make sense, there's a direct feeling of real progression and I can understand why he thinks what he thinks

Rask likewise, seems to be really solving. Post 123 was my first noted good vibes post, and I had a bit of a mindmeld at 566.

Arctic. Real bad opener, and people leaping in to protect them for no particular reason? Ugh. I must admit this is a high chance of tunnel from me, since I just get the vibe that I haven't liked anything they've put out since but it might as well be because I've already got a w predisposition to them. if I bothered with a reread this would be where I'd start

Jan sus vibe from post 336 too much explaining. post about gemma (430) was good though, poking at a slot no-one else was looking at. Don't like that they asked me to state my case on them then ignored it entirely.

Hally town vibes from solving eg post 560. many kinda sus people have mentioned Hally as forgettable, I don't share the opinion. I remember you Hally!

Logic sus vibes, not feeling the effort, and also feeling wrong kind of effort to bring in 'light' vibes and commentary/half-hearted prods with no follow through.

GH not enough content, not enough attacking, too much shielding, not a good feeling here

Everyone else: No notes in my book, sorry. If I'd been awake when stuff happened I'm sure I'd have notes on Syn, dya and ladd. Visor and wisdom feel like total non-entities to me, I don't get people's Wisdom reads at all. Vanta and Gemma feel like bottom of the pack wouldn't mind if they were thrown out but don't have any particular grudge people.

Murska. Strong town vibe, mech clear.

[Jan]

Jan, what's your current stance on Logic?

Barely any.

Fells like the easy cop-out for either alignment.

People talked about logic dying d1 a lot as either alignment.

He is more villagery than in the anon game I saw him a month ago (he was a wolf there). But he did not really try that hard and had mostly fun gimmicking.
Not sure how that translates.
60-40 Chance to flip villager?

[Arctic]

I am fine with either Logic or Syn dying tbh. Arctic is prolly gonna be resolved in the next 24 anyway

this is totally normal

[Raskolnikov]

People I don't want to kill for reasons:
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Logic
Ladd
Jan
Zack
Hally
Benneh

People I am willing to talk about:
Visor
Arctic
Vanta Black
GH
Gemma

People I want:
Syn
Murska

I can see Ladds point on Murska. Not convinced because I think he is reading a playstyle as alignment. (the not here to make friends part)
But I have been focused on the slot with rather negative energy and prefer looking/talking about anywhere else right now.

Talk to me about that one

[Murska]

this is annoying, I want to push a counterwagon to Syn but I'm not sure where to point it

[GeneralHankerchief]

current tally, I believe, is:

Syn 5 (4 from last tally post +rask)
Logic 3 (-rask)
Gemma 2 (gh, dya)
Murskah 2 (gemma, visor)

as of 723

[Raskolnikov]

Barely any.

Fells like the easy cop-out for either alignment.

People talked about logic dying d1 a lot as either alignment.

He is more villagery than in the anon game I saw him a month ago (he was a wolf there). But he did not really try that hard and had mostly fun gimmicking.
Not sure how that translates.
60-40 Chance to flip villager?

ok we crossposted. ackonwledged for now (in italics)

[Raskolnikov]

this is totally normal

[Murska]

current tally, I believe, is:

Syn 5 (4 from last tally post +rask)
Logic 3 (-rask)
Gemma 2 (gh, dya)
Murskah 2 (gemma, visor)

as of 723

Okay this helps.

Vote: Logic

[Arctic]

i kinda only came here to make a throwaway vote on the wagon with the composition i liked the most or jst sheeping a townread but if i actually voted who i think is most likely to flip wolf + gain traction it'd be gemma but then i'd have to pretend i don't see who's voting her lo

[GeneralHankerchief]

i kinda only came here to make a throwaway vote on the wagon with the composition i liked the most or jst sheeping a townread but if i actually voted who i think is most likely to flip wolf + gain traction it'd be gemma but then i'd have to pretend i don't see who's voting her lo

at least one of them is a villa

(I may or may not actually stay there. currently rereading gemma's recent stuff now)

[Arctic]

if it's between logic/syn i'd just kill syn because it seems to me like they aren't going to give us anything more than what they have been this game judging from what they said pre-game and i'm never gonna find them villa if they are with this level of posting

but i still might vote gemma

[Arctic]

i've got too many null people to care about making a legacy readlist that would be meaningful in any capacity and most of my townreads are consensus so it's whatever, though i don't expect to die overnight for obvious reasons unless it's by town kp

[Arctic]

guess i can do this

town
zack
hally
benneh
jan
murska
vanta black (i liked their last wall kinda thing, yeah that's literally it)

idk
wisdom (prob v though)
logic
ladd
visor
ender
gh
syn

sussy baka
rask (idgaf)
gemma
dya

[GeneralHankerchief]

reread both Gemma and Syn

opinion didn't really change on either, lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

btw if there's a PR with the ability to clear people, please do so w/r/t me tonight, I feel like I'm careening towards being the d3 no matter what happens here and I'd like to avoid that if possible

[Raskolnikov]

Arctic, what's your stance on Logic's case on Vanta?

[ladd]

reread both Gemma and Syn

opinion didn't really change on either, lol

Now read syn iso in the last 13er

[GeneralHankerchief]

Now read syn iso in the last 13er

can it be done in ten minutes?

[ladd]

can it be done in ten minutes?

Ya just skim the first page of their iso

[Raskolnikov]

can it be done in ten minutes?

yes. tsk tsk tsk

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ya just skim the first page of their iso

cereal killer?

[ladd]

Btw do you still hard v read logic?

[Raskolnikov]

Just read the first page imo lol.

[ladd]

cereal killer?

Yes sir

[GeneralHankerchief]

Btw do you still hard v read logic?

yes

[Arctic]

I think what logic said about vanta was a reasonable description of their play (at the time - they've actually done stuff now which I thought was fine) but given their lack of familiarity with everyone here and their usual experience being different from this game I don't really think it's wolfy

[Arctic]

I realized I've said basically nothing about GH this entire day and there is one thought I had

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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[Arctic]

whats the vc looking like

[GeneralHankerchief]

ok yeah there's an obvious difference lol

could definitely be explained by mentality differences going into the game, I know I've had great games as a wolf and crap games as town just because I've been feeling it vs tired/busy/"oh god why did I sign up for this" but yeah, that's a bit hard to ignore