17er Saints and Martyrs

[Visor]

Both you and gemma have been awol all of today. It is rather hard to for me to get a grasp on gemma normally unless I get some sort of calling from above.
Thisgame I would give her a gth villager read because I know a month ago for the game I hosted she was disappointed about being a villager and would have preferred a wolf rand.

I don't know if that is still the case but based on that knowledge and her lackluster performance I think she is more likely to flip villa. I don't think that is enough to just keep her around forever and not reassess her.

To the post itself. you are not wrong. she has made the same read on me last game on here, which is an odd choice.
the only read that feels like it is specifically from this game and not a dollar-store-meta-reads-bundle is gh. (every other read could be copy pasted from a random old game).

i feel like the game she randed villager in just recently she was much more involved in the thread (and i don't really mean in an activity sense)

i have like zero meta on her outside of that but she felt very competent that game even if i didn't agree with her reads

and i just don't get any real feeling of 'this is a deep thought about the game' from here posts so far

[Visor]

I don't like this based on gemma pr soft btw.

we killed a wolf d1 and I don't think we need to get rid of a pr soft/claim d2. we have enough time to give the slot a day and evaluate based on results.

I know that does not help you to live.

i don't really care about living at this point i think lol

i have accepted i am likely dying i just want to do it voting a wolf lol

and tbh i don't care about pr softs

claim it or die, and maybe die anyway, its not an open game

[Jan]

No, I've been sick all week. I never drink when I'm sick. This is just a product of regular old stupidity, much like signing up for a mafia game.

I do feel that.

I am afraid of several threadstates that makes it really hard to read the game.

How many wolves between murska/gemma (both pr softs/claims)?
How many deep wolves that are just having a very relaxed time pushing low hanging veterans today?
Or - are we just right on most things happening and I am getting paranoid?

[Visor]

?????? yo tell me someone can think someone is lean v and also just made nai posts at the same time like this

it's like they're trying to suggest jan has tmi but skipping all the steps needed to actually get to a real read of someone having tmi, like that person providing over the top reasoning... not like that person v reading someone you also v read on page 0

"this person wolfy because they have similar read to me" with no further elaboration is just wild

you might as well wolfread yourself while you're at it


the rest of these are nonreads imo like they don't feel like natural thoughts its tonally wolfy also this is what actually wolfy going through the motions or whatever it was you said cape was early day 1 looks like imo

also the pzelda read is something


this was pzelda's post:


pzelda wolfy because they said they're not in the mood for reading but played the game anyway is the most ungenerous take i think you could possibly make from that


taffys been v reading baudib all game



her baudib read is levels of wonky to me

its out of proportion to what baudib has actually done in a way that i think feels forced

for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo

i don't think it fits the bill of a villager with a real read that they're torn about

it looks even worse if baudib flips w (and i currently think he will)

the rest of her posts would just be quoting them saying wolfy tone

/39

now this is definitely not fair but look at this post comapred to anything gemmas posted this game imo

has gemma posted anything that sounds remotely like this sentence

"for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo"

i mean, just no, right? theres a flow to this sentence that the 90 random questions d1 just doesn't have and i get its d1 but theres more to the game thanthat

[Jan]

i feel like the game she randed villager in just recently she was much more involved in the thread (and i don't really mean in an activity sense)

i have like zero meta on her outside of that but she felt very competent that game even if i didn't agree with her reads

and i just don't get any real feeling of 'this is a deep thought about the game' from here posts so far

she is lackluster. I just know she prefers wolfing over being a villa which makes it really hard for me to read into that.
Without that knowledge in the back of my head I would agree with you.

[Visor]

that post of gemmas i know is a summary post but its also how her posts were in general where its very staccato one note read, no flow

[GeneralHankerchief]

I do feel that.

I am afraid of several threadstates that makes it really hard to read the game.

How many wolves between murska/gemma (both pr softs/claims)?
How many deep wolves that are just having a very relaxed time pushing low hanging veterans today?
Or - are we just right on most things happening and I am getting paranoid?

0-1. Almost never Murska especially since he's repping he can consecutively target. Wolves HAVE to get rid of that. If they don't, he's one of them. Period

Re deep wolf question I'm gonna say 1-2 outside the general poe because hell with it I'm buying visor being v right now

Really going to sleep now

[Visor]

i would love some thoughts on my vanta post fwiw, because i expect they will probably be miskilled on d4 if i am right and nobody gonna remember a post from someone they miskilled lol

[Jan]

i would love some thoughts on my vanta post fwiw, because i expect they will probably be miskilled on d4 if i am right and nobody gonna remember a post from someone they miskilled lol

I cannot confirm the meta stuff, but I have them village lean. lost villager. I lowkey love that you just went ahead and gave bennehs dog sorting gimmick from d1 to them. vanta only did the sort by avatar part.

[Vanta Black]

I'm just throwing this out here because it's proably good to get your thoughts in thread even if said thoughts are silly.

Bottom line, I did some back-reading and murska has dropped way down on my list. Not a lot of posts (even fewer than mine!), but I'm kinda confused about the PR claim. Maybe I'm just stupid but on the board where I usually play if someone claims protective PR and is not counterclaimed, that person usually eats the NK right away. Now maybe the wolves were more concerned about Zack. That is a possibility.

Not cc'd and I think he had 4 votes on him at the time so a legit time to claim. I kinda don't like to suss people for still being alive, but sometimes I just do.

But I was also pinged by murska's coming into the thread with "I considered zack but stayed on Rask" bit. Okay, on D1 he townread Zack and Rask pretty consistently, as did most of the thread. But then he mentions a couple more times that he's staying on Rask until he's dead, barring [something, I forget]. Hitting it really hard.

D1 he wanted to push a counterwagon to Syn for some reason.

His points on discussion about Ender today also kinda pinged me, I'm not sure why. I think because really not a lot of people were talking about Ender today.

[Vanta Black]

i think there is a chance vanta black is very possibly a villager, i have been thinking about this for a bit now, but having played with them before (i actually wolfed with them fairly recently in a game @Raskolnikov had a great time in ) i remember their game as a wolf being... controlling isn't the word but they had words for every situation to move the thread in the direction they wanted and i feel like they have just flat out failed to do so here - i understand that this is a very new playerlist on a new site, new everything for them but i don't feel like they would suck so much as a wolf to resort to posting about avatar or dog names as a means of generating content or pushing the game forward. this may be my spiciest read tbh, but i get the feeling that they are moreso just overwhelmed with how to process this game and are trying to work around that, rather than failing to post genuine solving content because they are a wolf

ymmv

Hey, I wasn't the one who ranked players by the appropriateness of their username for a dog name!

[Vanta Black]

Stupid quetion, when I hit "reply" is there any way to have "go advanced" as the default here?

[Visor]

I cannot confirm the meta stuff, but I have them village lean. lost villager. I lowkey love that you just went ahead and gave bennehs dog sorting gimmick from d1 to them. vanta only did the sort by avatar part.

lmao i swear i saw them talking about it

i mustve conflated the dog sorting with the avatar sortin

[Vanta Black]

i would love some thoughts on my vanta post fwiw, because i expect they will probably be miskilled on d4 if i am right and nobody gonna remember a post from someone they miskilled lol

I have probably not made any posts worth going back and looking at tbh. Kinda feel like I'm still stuck in D1, perpetually.

[EnderWiggin]

Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.

Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.

Vote: Gemma

I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.

[Wisdom]

Gemma/Visor are two nice wagons imo.

I'm sad that I missed the party where it was fun to meme about GH being a wolf! I spent my morning reading that wall for nothing!

[Wisdom]

After reading everyone's posts with great detail I have confidently concluded that there are no wolves in this game

[Jan]

After reading everyone's posts with great detail I have confidently concluded that there are no wolves in this game

thank god. I was afraid this game might end up being tough.

[ladd]

Ill be here for eod

[Vanta Black]

Apparently my alignment depends on Logic's alignment so I would still kinda like to see his flip. But i see no traction there right now.

Not really sold on Gemma. Aside from Logic, I would really, truly like to vote GH, but that's not gonna go either.

Have town leans on everybody on Visor except Wisdom. Absolutely cannot say the same for voters on Gemma.

I had the briefest moment of thinking maybe I would get up at 6 am for EoD but, uh, get real, it's Saturday. Also I need to save my strength for shoveling snow off my driveway.

vote: Visor

[Arctic]

"GH he's obviously just pocketing you here don't be an idiot"

OH YEAH BECAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH TOWNCRED AND THREADPULL RIGHT NOW

i dunno why u keep posting stuff like this regardless of your alignment but i will tell you nobody finds it villagery so you don't need to bother

[Arctic]

Gemma: blatantly softs PR

Visor and GH:

[Arctic]

0-1. Almost never Murska especially since he's repping he can consecutively target. Wolves HAVE to get rid of that. If they don't, he's one of them. Period

Re deep wolf question I'm gonna say 1-2 outside the general poe because hell with it I'm buying visor being v right now

Really going to sleep now

what about visor's recent posts convinced you he's town

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry for a lackluster day. Will be around for eod.

[Arctic]

Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.

Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.

Vote: Gemma

I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.

Gemma/Visor are two nice wagons imo.

I'm sad that I missed the party where it was fun to meme about GH being a wolf! I spent my morning reading that wall for nothing!

killing gemma today seems like a pretty terrible idea when they did nothing except soft PR and they aren't here to clarify

[Arctic]

i feel like townreading vanta is a pretty weird thing for visor to enter the thread with

theres two worlds of logic today imo, one where he is defending me to look good when i flip (but he still also has to actually solve the game as a wolf in this world and i don't believe logic is someone who would intentionally take on difficult tasks as a wolf (and theres always the fun argument when you get a contentious read right and then people accuse you of tmi lol))

and the one where he genuinely believes my actions are not coming from a wolf mindset and he is willing to put his neck out for it

for what its worth, the strength behind his conviction makes me heavily believe the latter, obviously i am incredibly biased and not able to judge this stuff fairly, but i have a harder time seeing a world where wolf logic doesn't just take the easy kill on me and i think his conviction is villagery (which is kinda funny considering my read on him d1, but i feel like this kind of conviction from him is just not something i associate with how he plays wolf).

i dunno why you think he can't be defending you to look good
you say because "he has to solve the game as a wolf in this world"
what does this mean?

i don't really have thoughts on anything else visor posted and i'm gonna vote him closer to eod cuz i don't really want anyone else except GH rn

but if we miss today i think gemma should probably clarify tomorrow since i have also felt bad about them the entire game

@Visor i don't really expect you to have a full worldview since you've been pretty afk but if you feel strongly about anything then say it now
i agree with your read on vanta but admittedly for different reasons with some slight overlap

i'm surprised you don't have anything to say about logic or GH? those are the main points of contention other than you..

[Wisdom]

I have also concluded that that GH wall was TWTBAW which is something I never thought I would say about a GH post.

There's a special kind of hell for people who writes walls which neither helps me solve them nor others (although I still enjoyed reading it).

[Wisdom]

If Visor is a wolf here then pushing Gemma is really the best course of action.

If Gemma is wolf then Visor is confident that he will go over her anyway so it's great distancing. If Gemma is town it pretty much forces her to hard claim which mostly just benefits wolves.

[Visor]

i feel like townreading vanta is a pretty weird thing for visor to enter the thread with



i dunno why you think he can't be defending you to look good
you say because "he has to solve the game as a wolf in this world"
what does this mean?

i don't really have thoughts on anything else visor posted and i'm gonna vote him closer to eod cuz i don't really want anyone else except GH rn

but if we miss today i think gemma should probably clarify tomorrow since i have also felt bad about them the entire game

@Visor i don't really expect you to have a full worldview since you've been pretty afk but if you feel strongly about anything then say it now
i agree with your read on vanta but admittedly for different reasons with some slight overlap

i'm surprised you don't have anything to say about logic or GH? those are the main points of contention other than you..

idk how you can say in this post that i don't have anything to say about logic in a post i am talking about logic lol

[EnderWiggin]

My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.