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[nebjiamn]

i think even if we flip logic first and he flips wolf there is no way we dont lunch gh next so imo wouldnt have changed much


regardless with 4 villa prs claimed/ded, if anyone else is a pr they should probably claim cause idt having 5 villa prs is that likely

i'm town night roleblocker

i block people at night

[dyachei]

i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?

Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this

idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though

[nebjiamn]

My one hesitation on a visor/gh world (well actually there’s more than one, but w/e) is that I feel like visor probly doesn’t struggle to re-enter today with gh as a partner?

I mean, visor might just be busy af and tired, which is the silly caveat for this kind of read but I do feel like there’d just be more energy if those 2 randed wolf together and we’d probably have seen some spark of that from visor on d1?

now that GH flipped v i am confbiasing this to be true. e.g. visor wouldn't have struggled to re-enter the thread til the last 6 hours of the day on day 2 if he was teamed with GH. instead, the more likely thing is visor is teamed with some lower posting/LHF type wolves and couldn't get into the groove until he made a late push

i think logic fits with that

i don't think dya fits with that really. don't think hally does either.

i think everyone else could kinda fit that

[nebjiamn]

i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?

Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this

idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though

i think ender is highly likely the last wolf (assuming logic is the 3rd) unless gemma faked us out

the other options jut don't make much sense, but not making sense would be an avg werewolf game i suppose

[ladd]

i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?

Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this

idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though

i think both gemma/ender can be wolves even with logic w (tho i lean not gemma cause visor pushing the 1 poster d2 seemed more like a last try for a mislunch but who knows, its kinda wifom)

i remember thinking ender/gemma were not w/w but i cant remember why tbh



vanta is prob clear in logic w worlds

[ladd]

i'm town night roleblocker

i block people at night

[Arctic]

what in the hell happened here

[nebjiamn]

what in the hell happened here

ladd killed a guy with a trident

[Arctic]

benneh do i catch up or hero the turbo

[Arctic]

nvm boob got it

[Hally]

welp that one stung

[Arctic]

I believe Trustworthy Liberal a.k.a. Transcend

LOL

[Hally]

i do think gemma should claim today

four PR’s is not really unlikely if they’re all weak (ladd’s role doesn’t really seem strong to me and he just dies anyway) but still worth checking #forgh

[Hally]

wdyt changes if logic flips v here now that gh is confirmed v?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

i thought hally kinda laid it on thick last night about gh being lock wolf but... i also kind of agreed so this is an unfair read maybe

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

but at least it will make hally sweat a bit

yeah uh, not my finest moment!

[Arctic]

i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh

i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying

...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl

this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh

can you unvote i havent been on any of the wolf wagons lol its going to look terrible if im sitting out again

this post aged well

anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)

[ladd]

i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh

i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying

...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl

this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh



this post aged well

anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)

Brah dont

[Arctic]

okay so i feel like 3 town PRs is standard and 4 is a stretch but still believable?

however if there are any more claims they should probably speak up because i do not believe we would have 5

[Arctic]

Brah dont

is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...

[Arctic]

dya had some pretty rough reads d1 (not wanting to lunch syn, villa reading visor) that give me PAUSE but i think they are not with logic and overall their posting has been fairly villagery. tbh i'd say they are like borderline out of their range with some posts?

i am ngl i have barely read vanta posts (sorry). guess i should give them a look at some point



hally/artic/wisdom are in the sameish boat where i think their posting is prob just too villagery to come from a wolf despite not having anything clearing wrt interations or pushes on a wolf afaict (i havent read back yet so maybe i missed something here)



murska/benneh/rask are just not wolves

ender i gotta re read. gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results


adieu

can u towncase rask in some capacity

im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1

do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?

[Hally]

is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...

it’s kinda angly

also if wolves can pre-submit stuff it’s not actually a reliable read

better to not talk about it imo

[Arctic]

ok icic

i might actually do something today now that we know there's a non-gh non-logic wolf, maybe even two!

[Hally]

can u towncase rask in some capacity

im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1

do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?

rask was villagery D1 before he even pushed a wolf

then he dumpstered syn and said he was going after visor next

hope that helps

- ladd

[nebjiamn]

is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...

its common to just lock in kills in org games during the day phase fwiw. i think when visor was wolf a year or so ago he set the following 2 kills 2 days in advance cause he knew it'd not get to him til f3

i wouldn't read into it for that any other obvious ogi reasons anyway

[Hally]

not that we need another reason why logic is wolfy, but the way he so easily flipped to voting gh after town reading him D2 seems bad

the only thing that really changed was visor flipping wolf after gh hard town read him but like, logic also did that? so lol

would expect there to be more consideration of gh’s alignment from his pov

[nebjiamn]

not that we need another reason why logic is wolfy, but the way he so easily flipped to voting gh after town reading him D2 seems bad

the only thing that really changed was visor flipping wolf after gh hard town read him but like, logic also did that? so lol

would expect there to be more consideration of gh’s alignment from his pov

uh oh, hally laying it on thick with logic now trying to secure that second mislunch

[Logic]

GH flipping town once again is a data point to show that he always gets my alignment correct as town, and always states it wrong when he's a wolf.

Hardclaim VT, despite looking like a Crazy Old Man

After my flip, I want everyone to look long and hard at everyone that wanted to flip me and GH before Visor flipped. I'm currently too lazy to find out who fits that bill right now.

To answer Ladd above, I was town reading Gemma on Tone (read the post again; seems nice) Not that it matters, no one is listening to me for context because they all think I'm a wolf.

If anyone has anything to talk to me about, that's fine.

I do have one specific request: DO NOT HAMMER TODAY. I want as much time with Ladd as possible.

[Hally]

uh oh, hally laying it on thick with logic now trying to secure that second mislunch

smh i’m trying reassure myself he’s a wolf because i don’t really want to be in this game next day if he flips v :joy_cat:

[Murska]

Day 1 votecount:

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska (2) : Visor, Gemma
Gemma (1) : Dyachei
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Visor (1) : Wisdom

If there were wolves bussing Syn, it wasn't many - probably Ender is the only possibility. I'd go back through D2 to see who the people were who were most adamant that there was bussing going on.

Day 2:

Visor (7) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
Benneh (2) : Wisdom, Jan
Gemma (2) : Visor, GH
Logic (1) : Dyachei
Arctic (1) : Logic
GH (1) : Ender

If there were wolves bussing Visor, it's not the same people who were bussing Syn unless it's exactly Arctic - who convinced me somewhat with the theatrics at EoD in that case.

Now, Logic's obviously been real suspicious with their votes and reads this game. But Logic did turn out to be town, then Hally and Vanta actually look pretty bad just based on these votecounts - I think Visor was the more likely bus and was probably telling their partners in wolf-chat to pile in, because if we had two mislynches lined up next on GH and Logic the hiding bad guys would have the best chance by digging as deep under cover as they can during the time we're giving them. Not that we don't have people off-wagon who aren't doing much better.

Jan and Ladd have been interesting kills. It's possible they do have a rolecop, but I still don't know why they'd prefer to leave me alive when they know they can't cc me, but they could cc unclaimed PRs later. Of course, maybe it's just that I've been too lazy to be a solving threat. But that's obviously going to change once we get out of consensus lunch territory.

[Vanta Black]

So...

1. Everything I thought is wrong.

2. Maybe not everything.

3. But possibly.

Between my computer and my brain I've got some lag here. More in a bit.

[ladd]

Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos