17er Saints and Martyrs

[Arctic]

I don't know how stupid I should feel for writing a wolfcase on a villager who was already put at L-1 before I even did anything and then hammering them right after

...i will claim less responsibility than i originally intended

uhm
well now that my only wolfread is dead I can probably think about this game a bit more clearly, so I'm gonna iso everyone except rask

I think ender kind of needs to be in the conversation again but this is less because I actively think it's him but more because I think we could be overlooking him given well *gestures towards his contributions the past 4 day phases* . and benneh was a lot more critical of him than me and rask were iirc so that's something to keep in mind

[Vanta Black]

vote: Ender

[Vanta Black]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

[Hally]

vote: dya

today is my day

[Hally]

I don't know how stupid I should feel for writing a wolfcase on a villager who was already put at L-1 before I even did anything and then hammering them right after

average arctic town game

[Hally]

i challenge anyone who wants to lunch vanta to explain to me why they’re a wolf and why those reasons are better than the case i laid out for dya

[Vanta Black]

i challenge anyone who wants to lunch vanta to explain to me why they’re a wolf and why those reasons are better than the case i laid out for dya

What do you think if dya's opening post?

[Vanta Black]

*OF* dya's opening post

[Hally]

What do you think if dya's opening post?

i don’t care about it

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

Can you explain why Benneh being the NK poonts to Ender for you pls?

[Raskolnikov]

Also, its time for this:

DONT MAJ PLS!

I WANT TO HAVE THE TIME

(Seriously Ill do work tmr, needed time off this game to get a refreshed mind)

[Raskolnikov]

i challenge anyone who wants to lunch vanta to explain to me why they’re a wolf and why those reasons are better than the case i laid out for dya

Good thing we dont need your vote to lunch her

(What I want to say fr is that today we review everybody, including myself, we do not sleep walk into a shrug yeet, hope it makes sense. Pls and tu)

[Vanta Black]

Can you explain why Benneh being the NK poonts to Ender for you pls?

Will attempt to show my work

Unvote

[EnderWiggin]

I think ender kind of needs to be in the conversation again but this is less because I actively think it's him but more because I think we could be overlooking him given well *gestures towards his contributions the past 4 day phases* . and benneh was a lot more critical of him than me and rask were iirc so that's something to keep in mind

You know I stopped playing when busy at MU because "contributions" were thrown around as a reason to scumread someone.

If you want me to explain something, ask me questions instead of vaguely shading my ability to do things.

Also like, at least one of those 4 days I literally was up at 1am to make some silly posts at SOD and then it was hammered by the time lunch came around.

But I'm pretty sure I'm one of the fewer people to actually put some effort into associatives for the wolves. I'm completely okay with you sussing me for it because you disagree with my content.

But don't act like I've contributed nothing because you haven't read my posts.

[EnderWiggin]

Sorry that may have come out over-hostile. I've done that a few times this game. ><

I personally have Vanta at the top of my scumreads rn because there's an awkward interaction with Gemma that fits the pattern of w/w interaction this game, but that's hardly a slam dunk

I townread Dya for the several things including interaction that I mentioned yesterday. (I think Arctic agreed with me? Or someone did.)

I need to reread Hally's post and actually reply to it so she doesn't think I'm ignoring her case because I disagree with it.
I will also add that Dya is a read I'm very unsure of for reasons Dya can tell people as well.

[EnderWiggin]

I have some stupid defenses but honestly if you want my best reason I'm not a wolf:
Go read Gemma's first posts about me and then read Syn's posts about me.

On D1.

Then check the limp wristed way they fangled around each other/Visor.

If you really think that wolves acted so light-touch around each other and just decided to drop big scum/town reads on me specifically on D1 then idk what to tell you other than "enjoy me flipping green."

[Hally]

Sorry that may have come out over-hostile. I've done that a few times this game. ><

I personally have Vanta at the top of my scumreads rn because there's an awkward interaction with Gemma that fits the pattern of w/w interaction this game, but that's hardly a slam dunk

I townread Dya for the several things including interaction that I mentioned yesterday. (I think Arctic agreed with me? Or someone did.)

I need to reread Hally's post and actually reply to it so she doesn't think I'm ignoring her case because I disagree with it.
I will also add that Dya is a read I'm very unsure of for reasons Dya can tell people as well.

do you have any reason why vanta is a wolf based on posting or is it just the interaction stuff with gemma?

i think it’s pretty dubious to assume that a wolf will interact with all their teammates the exact same way and won’t also interact with some villagers like that, so i don’t really get why you’re using that as the main basis for your solve

[dyachei]

saw hally question how I could have voted wisdom and like...I thought everyone else was townier and that i had given her too much credit after arctic's case. Idk anymore.

[EnderWiggin]

do you have any reason why vanta is a wolf based on posting or is it just the interaction stuff with gemma?

i think it’s pretty dubious to assume that a wolf will interact with all their teammates the exact same way and won’t also interact with some villagers like that, so i don’t really get why you’re using that as the main basis for your solve

The other two people Gemma interacted with in exactly that way are Visor and Syn.

There's no one else that they did that to.

It's not a slam dunk but it's a direction and I've felt mildly directionless.

There is also the whole way they approached solving and the whole "Benneh = Ender gg" post to explain their vote on me today.

[EnderWiggin]

Ftr I *will* be trying to come up with a more comprehensive read of things but I just don't have the time to do full blown cases so you'll have to settle with what I throw together.

[Totally not Taffy]

Not so sure I trust you with it, Rask. You're only the discount, after all.

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Dyachei (1) : Hally

Not voting: Raskolnikov, Vanta
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ender, Dyachei


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[Hally]

Yeah, I am pretty much guaranteed to fuck up in f3, so yeah, I could be on a Vote Vanta campaign. No self vote at this point but if I get to 3 ....

But meanwhile, I did overnight homework to the tune of trying to figure out why everybody who was here was still here. And then trying to guess who the NK would be. And then making a little chart to the effect of "if the NK is XXX, then vote YYY."

I don't know why I was all cagey with the XXs and YYs there, "If the NK is Benneh, vote Ender." Some of them were reciprocal (if dya vote Hally, but I thought that pretty unlikely).

If last woof is Rask or Arctic that is very high levels of method acting (particularly Arctic) and I tip my hat to your artful and sustained deception.

There's no way to prove this but I did think Benneh was most likely NK.

i will say, this post is kinda weird to me because i don’t think i have ever put so much thought into who would be the NK and what each player dying would mean outside of maybe exactly the night before F3

the only time i would ever dedicate this much thought to it would be as a wolf to figure out who i should kill

but i also don’t know if a wolf would actually post about it like this so idk

[Vanta Black]

There is some background about my thoughts but it's probably tldr.

It is a late-game exercise that I have found very helpful, the few times I have been in late game as town. Kind of a variation of "why are YOU still here? Why do wolves need YOU alive?"

[Raskolnikov]

There is some background about my thoughts but it's probably tldr.

It is a late-game exercise that I have found very helpful, the few times I have been in late game as town. Kind of a variation of "why are YOU still here? Why do wolves need YOU alive?"

Its not tldr if v!you are likely to get mischop today
Please write it Vanta.

[Raskolnikov]

Fwiw I have thoughts about it but will only post once I get to read yours

[Vanta Black]

Its not tldr if v!you are likely to get mischop today
Please write it Vanta.

Right now though it's 130am and it's kind of a long thing to type (it is longhand scrawls).

Let me just say that the result of my process made it a close thing between Ender and dyachei and I do appreciate Hally's case. I am rereading still, in context.

We don't havE to have F3, let's get the last one today!

Also, you said you don't want to be in F3 with me, fair enough. Who do you want there instead?

[Raskolnikov]

Right now though it's 130am and it's kind of a long thing to type (it is longhand scrawls).

Let me just say that the result of my process made it a close thing between Ender and dyachei and I do appreciate Hally's case. I am rereading still, in context.

We don't havE to have F3, let's get the last one today!

Also, you said you don't want to be in F3 with me, fair enough. Who do you want there instead?

but like you already posted twice about it but are refusing to give clues about your process. It just looks fake.

What is this last question lol?

[Raskolnikov]

I have started a post about NK strategy for Vanta but it might be seen as openwolfing so I am keeping it for later.

In other news, I have started a full reread, I am now wolf reading Benneh. glgl

[Vanta Black]

but like you already posted twice about it but are refusing to give clues about your process. It just looks fake.

What is this last question lol?

Nah forget that last question.

So basically process is this: Pretend YOU are the last scum, who is left, why are they there? If you slide into thinking "this is why XXX needs to keep them alive" you have failed this process, you have to figure out why you (as scum) are keeping them alive, and (at least in my case I have to) write down the reasons. At the end of this the player with the lease plausible reason is the most likely to be scum.

So that's the process, anyway, hope that helps. It was a much more experienced player who suggested it. Have only had occasion to use it once, and it is hard not to keep slipping into that mindset of why someone else would keep this or that player alive. Not that that isn't helpful but it isn't the exercise. If that makes any sense.

[Vanta Black]

Nah forget that last question.

So basically process is this: Pretend YOU are the last scum, who is left, why are they there? If you slide into thinking "this is why XXX needs to keep them alive" you have failed this process, you have to figure out why you (as scum) are keeping them alive, and (at least in my case I have to) write down the reasons. At the end of this the player with the least plausible reason is the most likely to be scum.

So that's the process, anyway, hope that helps. It was a much more experienced player who suggested it. Have only had occasion to use it once, and it is hard not to keep slipping into that mindset of why someone else would keep this or that player alive. Not that that isn't helpful but it isn't the exercise. If that makes any sense.

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