Tarot Mafia

[nebjiamn]

what do you think of him now?

ask me tomorrow, i haven't digested anything since i left pre-eod yesterday and my brain is too fried to try atm

[Dolby]

i was told i have to make more than 2 posts in a day phase

so

lubricious v

now back to active lurking

I will be watching your take on Syn closely

too many poasts. lubriderm wolf




2/75

yeah lubridum is town

if colonel is gh

gh > rand wolf for his open

feels very similar to his open in the mash we just played

if its not gh, lolknights

kinda townreading this post? idk I just feel that mafia don't pretend to not know that CL isn't GH

think cobalt's recent posting is p good (specially posts #76 and #82)

newcomb not giving a fuck about the game except about if colonel is gh feels slightly villagery (and also newcomb/bop are unlikely w/w)

after rereading bop/benneh's interactions, it felt very natural and meme'y and good and i don't want to kill either of them atm

initially liked syn pushing bop (colonel), but now that i'm villa reading bop i like it less.






Villagers

knights

didistetter
cobalt

colonel lubricator (bop)
nebjiamn (benneh)

gun to head villagers

newcomb
syn

Wolves

dyachei



and with that, good night

i don't like the Dya read, Ladd had exactly why the Dya read doesn't look good like three posts after this, but I'm putting this here partially to keep track but also to say that I think that Knights having Syn close to the bottom when if he's maf he knows he's going to have to abandon him Dya read is a good look. that placement means that he has to rely on town entering the thread and being wolfier to justify not going for Syn, and yes he has like 15 people not on the list and half the game hasn't showed up but i stand by this probably

GOOD MORNING!

Vote: Raskolnikov
@Raskolnikov your move, noob <3

kinda towny entrance

insomnia's post has me feeling things

idk how to describe it but basically this first happened after i read sunbae's post about newcomb and knights and i started formulating a weird kind of net of associations around cobalt/knights/sheep and realizing that if i'm wrong on sheep then he's probably town and one of the other two is more likely to have a wolf and like even though i lean on it being sheep i don't think the other worlds are that unlikely so they're kinda just existing in my mind as alternate options

this ties into insomnia's post cuz it's like. suggesting the alternate reality to the one i think is most likely. but i still townread it. it feels like he's having reasonable thoughts on those posts but i just disagree on which is the most likely world, but not enough for me to care about the fact we disagree. cuz, i mean y'all probably won't believe me but in my catch up post i originally had the same thought about how c0balt may have inadvertently been TMI'ing stett by accusing sheep of doing that because while i agree with the sheep sus that being the reason feels like more of a wolf accusation. soz this sounds hella hedgy but the point i want to convey is that i townread insomnia's post even though i had different takeaways cuz i can kinda see those options if i'm wrong, so having those thoughts is just as easily town indicative

the part about dya was super towny regardless

this post was so bad but im sending it anyway lmao

also hi IH :3

this whole post is whack and I dislike it. I don't understand what he's trying to say at all

I don't think there's a single meaningful Rask post before 200, we'll see what that means later I guess

did vanta even post

kinda think this is mildly towny, calling out a sus on a slot that's easy to wolfread and merely whatever from what I've observed of admitidly just Vanta's qual

I'm not understanding Gemma's reads on P1+2 so they can join the "wolfy" pile I'm building.

ender has 15 posts in a row and this is the only towny one

The whole sequence is just level 1 reactive all deriving from a single read he has: that knights early read on dya is bad. No part of the process is related to anything BUT that.

This is like, all of p#200 through p#215

bro are you wolfing

I like Jan rn.

My vote on them is a joke until I decide to change to someone else.

throwaway read on the basis of a nothing post

maybe the lack of post conservation isn't the worst

I did not like this line, ender. It feels like immediately distancing from what he was assuming was gonna happen instead of embracing it or looking forward to anything here. Just bad vibes Ig.

haven't talked about grr but every time I've passed a post from them I felt it was ok

stett also feels town but it's also not quoteworthy. I think the below bolded read is weird though

Vote: nebjiamn

2/5 nice

Grr is tiny SL rn, but his alignment is probs obvious by eod

I’m not vibing with wisdom’s posts at all yet, but wanna see if that’s just dif perspective or if its indicative of alignment stuff.

Arctic is odd. His posts kinda sound like voice notes turned into text. Idk what that means, maybe town?

Gemma town, ender town, insomnia town

I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. @Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote

a bit worried about this post because every single read is SEVERELY qualified and everyone might as well be null except Jan

i'd probably kill like syn cause i am boring




but the players i am most intrigued by right now are knights/benneh/sheep

I like this bc syn dies but also uh I kinda think that the three names in the second line are all v

nvm to that Ladd has a pretty towny post in p#289

The problem I had with the sheep post was he put so much effort into explaining himself to newcomb and my own approach would be like, im just gonna write one line and expect newcomb to understand me perfectly so I had the idea he felt like, the need to try super hard to convince newcomb of something, but also I kinda liked bennehs tr on him then later on and i have no idea why sheep talked so much about his perspective there if im being real.

knights reaction to ladd feels a little bit how i'd probs react too (and in fact did in the Pokemon hydra game on MU) so it kinda vibes towny to me.

I feel like insomnia specifically TR arctic a bit too easily? For making a convoluted post? Because Arctic is like, a good wolf in my eyes? I feel like he'd have no effort writing this as a wolf?

this is such a towny post

?????????

think Syn calling this out, which honestly reads wolfy to me from Wisdom, is town just from Syn calling it out

town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

yeah I think Syn just looked for a reason to move Wisdom down and went with it, probably makes them town. I guess diet ???? is kinda a good look for Ender since he was pretty townread in the thread at this point I feel. Maple specifically is way to high up and I think this might be the only read on Maple at this point but no idea why are his second biggest townread. I think that him just placing Rask in his lowest tier is kinda whack but not out of range if w/w

I got to the point I wanted, will try reading the rest of the thread later

[insomnia]

off the top of my head, the pool of players i don't have reasons to villa read / i wanna focus on today are

ladd / sunbae / ben / maple / cobalt / montmorency

dunno if im missing anyone. either way a part of a readslist is in the works but knowing me, idk if i'll finish it

[insomnia]

and i guess wisdom / ender

[didistetter]

k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:

Wagons as of #1170

Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple




Wagons as of
#1197

Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency

not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk

i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.

it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?

maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk

[dyachei]

and i guess wisdom / ender

read ender for me. im not so great at reading him but i dont think he looks good off the flip

[ladd]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo

I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once


My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf


Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol

[Gemma]

rask paired with syn is fake news iyam

first time ive ever used iyam in my life

[ladd]

Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo

I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once


My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf


Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol

To be clear i am not saying i am clear off syn flip; i just think saying i look bad is silly, i had every chanve to defend them at eod but i said rask v read kn them wasnt so strong, that syn could be a wolf even if rask v, etc...

Going to sleep for now, but i really really hated jan eod and hope he can prove me wrong cause rn i really wanna kill him sadly

[didistetter]

@didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

@nebjiamn what do you make of

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

[Raskolnikov]

rask paired with syn is fake news iyam

first time ive ever used iyam in my life

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

[Gemma]

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

stop saying lynch pls

[Jan]

To be clear i am not saying i am clear off syn flip; i just think saying i look bad is silly, i had every chanve to defend them at eod but i said rask v read kn them wasnt so strong, that syn could be a wolf even if rask v, etc...

Going to sleep for now, but i really really hated jan eod and hope he can prove me wrong cause rn i really wanna kill him sadly

I am about to vomit some word salad about eod.

wanted to sleep but I have too much old man yelling at clouds energy stored up to go back to sleep.

At my PC now and gonna jump into eod from my pov post.
I am surprised you are changing your read on me this drastically. it is noted.

[Dolby]

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

hey man I think you were town and just wrong on Syn. I just replaced in, any questions you have for me and do you want me to read anyones ISO in particular?

[ladd]

Ill get quotes when i wake up

Idr what jan read on rask/gemma/knights was befor eeod but him pushing rask because of the rask/syn combo stuff was super weird..cause like its not like rask/syn were the runaway wagons.

It seemed to me he kinda forced himself into onhu voting rask or syn (and so logically had to vote rask) for no reason

If rask is a villa, thats like the perfect crime.mislunch a villager who everyone says has a godread kn your teammate and that godread is wrong

[Gemma]

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

villagery

[ladd]

I am about to vomit some word salad about eod.

wanted to sleep but I have too much old man yelling at clouds energy stored up to go back to sleep.

At my PC now and gonna jump into eod from my pov post.
I am surprised you are changing your read on me this drastically. it is noted.

Id be super happy if you make me change it back!

I am just saying how i see eod atm. There is some world rask is a wolf i guess?

[Raskolnikov]

hey man I think you were town and just wrong on Syn. I just replaced in, any questions you have for me and do you want me to read anyones ISO in particular?

sup Dolby. glad to play with u again friendo. Yes, have a look at the knight and grr for me pls (I have had them as sr or leans but reevaluating). I might pass out in a few minutes, but will read tmr morning

[Raskolnikov]

y I looked for Jan's read on me prior to EOD too but couldn't find it Ladd. tell me if u find something (Jan, feel free to clarify or quote, or do ur own thing lmao).

[ladd]

I dont really have a problem with you(jan) defeding syn via rask read cause thats logical, what pinged me is the way you boxed yourself into voting just rask or syn that i really dont get


Alrighty i sleep for real. Laterz

[Gemma]

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

idk i dont enjoy their reads on you/ender but i also dont even v read you really so its just vague unease

based on the way they've played the game so far i expect they'll sit in my nulls forever unless something associative comes up

[Jan]

you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?

this is the post I made around eod (I cut the last bit).

and these are my thoughts about it(long rambling in spoiler)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

as context the syn wagon was just taking off and in my mind rask had basically locked syn as villa and I assumed I would just go into syn iso lock him villa and yell at people until they become sane again.

I forgot how exactly to read syn meta until ladd (I think) mentioned it late in d1 (he used the word snark you can go look for it).
I knew I could go back into the last game and dive for it but didn't deem it necessary earlier on.

The first 3 lines are me ranting annoyed about syn being a polarized player and expecting a clear villa read.

after that you see my result after skimming the 3 isos (sounds like a lot but it is done in less than a minute)
I was very much disappointed because I expected a different result based on rasks confidence in his syn read.

That is why I added the line about rask.I was very much surprised rask was that confident in his read and thought a w/v world with tmi was possible.
(I was also the person who villa read syn because I did not think rask would villa read syn that early in a w/w world)

If I was with syn I would have voted rask here to get traction going. My actual hope was to defuse the wagon and not vote either, because I was unsure, and killing someone who in my mind should be meta clearable if villager is a cardinal sin.
I voted rask after bop voted there because I wanted rask more than syn. (because rask to me could easily be a wolf in a w/v world)

(The line about syn/rask/wisdom is based on rask defending syn too early and wisdom calling back to pregame conversation about rask. felt like a possible rask partner that jumped to my mind.)

I don't think I am capable of producing such a convoluted and ineffective defense of my partner as a wolf. I would have so much more conviction in it. (or bus for cred because this was the best moment to bus for cred)
And I would have continued posting and pushing the narrative instead of taking a 30 minute break at eod.

I am most likely one of the most calculated wolves in this game. I love powerwolfing but I see every wolf as a resource and some of them need to be used as cred for others if they cannot swim on their own.
And I am very much prone to maximize on cred off my dying partners and Syn was never endgaming after this push happened.

in addition:
knights- do yourself a favor and try to look at the game with the knowledge that I am villa. You have been stuck in a tunnel for most of this game and I think if you are a villager you are a useful resource but so far you have been lost for most of it. And while I don't mind being the boob to your knights for a little while, I don't think you liked that moment all that much.

[didistetter]

@Jan when you get the chance, i'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on ladd and benneh

[Jan]

y I looked for Jan's read on me prior to EOD too but couldn't find it Ladd. tell me if u find something (Jan, feel free to clarify or quote, or do ur own thing lmao).

I had no real read on you.
You were drunk on cocktails and boobs.

In my mind you have sold your syn read as godread.
We played 2 games on the org and you were spot on both times and even explained it last game.

I had no read on you and your conviction on syn early spooked me.
I am still in no way convinced you are a villager, but we have a whole day to figure that out.

[Jan]

@Jan when you get the chance, i'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on ladd and benneh

benneh is gth w just for not really playing the 2nd half of d1.
In my head lacking benneh is wolf benneh.

His idea on how to read sunbae sounded fine/logical today and he had some small sparks of villager d1.


Let me grab ladds iso to confirm something stuck in my head (or not).

[ladd]

this is the post I made around eod (I cut the last bit).

and these are my thoughts about it(long rambling in spoiler)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

as context the syn wagon was just taking off and in my mind rask had basically locked syn as villa and I assumed I would just go into syn iso lock him villa and yell at people until they become sane again.

I forgot how exactly to read syn meta until ladd (I think) mentioned it late in d1 (he used the word snark you can go look for it).
I knew I could go back into the last game and dive for it but didn't deem it necessary earlier on.

The first 3 lines are me ranting annoyed about syn being a polarized player and expecting a clear villa read.

after that you see my result after skimming the 3 isos (sounds like a lot but it is done in less than a minute)
I was very much disappointed because I expected a different result based on rasks confidence in his syn read.

That is why I added the line about rask.I was very much surprised rask was that confident in his read and thought a w/v world with tmi was possible.
(I was also the person who villa read syn because I did not think rask would villa read syn that early in a w/w world)

If I was with syn I would have voted rask here to get traction going. My actual hope was to defuse the wagon and not vote either, because I was unsure, and killing someone who in my mind should be meta clearable if villager is a cardinal sin.
I voted rask after bop voted there because I wanted rask more than syn. (because rask to me could easily be a wolf in a w/v world)

(The line about syn/rask/wisdom is based on rask defending syn too early and wisdom calling back to pregame conversation about rask. felt like a possible rask partner that jumped to my mind.)

I don't think I am capable of producing such a convoluted and ineffective defense of my partner as a wolf. I would have so much more conviction in it. (or bus for cred because this was the best moment to bus for cred)
And I would have continued posting and pushing the narrative instead of taking a 30 minute break at eod.

I am most likely one of the most calculated wolves in this game. I love powerwolfing but I see every wolf as a resource and some of them need to be used as cred for others if they cannot swim on their own.
And I am very much prone to maximize on cred off my dying partners and Syn was never endgaming after this push happened.

in addition:
knights- do yourself a favor and try to look at the game with the knowledge that I am villa. You have been stuck in a tunnel for most of this game and I think if you are a villager you are a useful resource but so far you have been lost for most of it. And while I don't mind being the boob to your knights for a little while, I don't think you liked that moment all that much.

Thx for the explanation

What i dont get is if you didnt want either of them to go over why vote rask over gemma/knights wagons that were right there?

[Jan]

@Newcomb syn was a wolf in their last game here and was def worse but i also think they are worse here than their vila games...so inconclusive. If it helps you give a baseline they are generally a snarky villager with fairly confident reads who makes a lot 1 liners

yea i thought rask was ok in their limited time, i wouldnt kill them

syn i am more cool with dying. i think rask kinda backtracked a little bit on their syn read later in the day too so i wouldnt say syn being a wolf is even outing for rask

4 posts left

These are ladds major syn and/or rask posts around eod.

The bolded part really confused me because rasks only reads on syn in the game are:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng

and

@Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal )

I think as wolf ladd would either ignore it or use those reads as defense and not say the bolded because I don't even think it is true.
(rasks only backtrack is this "it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn" and that is more a backdoor than a backtrack)

If ladd and rask are both wolves then this take is useless.
But if rask is a villager ladd looks better.
I need to look at ladds actual d1 pushes outside of sheep because honestly that is what you judge him on.

[Jan]

Thx for the explanation

What i dont get is if you didnt want either of them to go over why vote rask over gemma/knights wagons that were right there?

I was looking for an alternative wagon for most of pre eod.
grr and I both voted sunbae at one point because we were looking to change things up. (and then sunbae looked better and he was looking for something new as well etc)
That is actually the most reasonable part about my end of day.

[Jan]

Ya obviously I’m living in a world where Jan is a wolf and trying to power wolf and save his wolf bro from being cfd’d.

Which isn’t necessarily his play style I’ll grant you.

Vote: Jan

Knights goes 1 step forward and two steps back.
Maybe consider dance classes instead of werewolf games, friend.

[Gemma]

@Jan why did u vote me lol