Tarot Mafia

[insomnia]

I mean, a Gemma NK here really makes vanta look terrible, im not sure whether that is intended

[insomnia]

why do u think this i almost never play large setups. i need references i feel like only 2 alive means we got a lot more leeway than we should have?

for the life of me i have no clue what this wolfteam is doing if it's 3 alive

i guess a team of 3 just doesn't seem possible to me after PoEing and all that

grr / maple (he wins if wolf, i don't have the patience to solo this against everyone who defended him so you can blame them if he's wolf)

it would mean 3 in wisdom / ender / vanta / monte

Im kinda aware now that i must be wrong on one of ender or vanta, not sure if on both. The thinking is that in a 2 man team, mont was bussing wisdom hardcore yesterday when there are plenty other avenues for not bussing, so that team doesn't make sense to me

Hopefully in a 3 man, the team is bussing wisdom and knowing today is the last day she lives

The most dangerous world is vanta / ender

[insomnia]

like idk, for any 3 of those people i struggle to see wtf their gameplan is

The most common theme in there is that they would all be bussing wisdom. I feel like if wisdom was villa, the opinions would differ a lot more and at least someone would express a v read

[insomnia]

I just can't think of a 3 man team and wth they must be doing if wisdom is not a wolf

It'd mean vanta / ender / mont and that's the only option offered by PoE fmpov and legit the only one

And it just feels so wrong for whatever reason

Like what, they're all just bandwagonning wisdom and not even splitting their views apart? I think they were all voting wisdom yesterday, no?

[Maple]

I'm going to be called so many obscenities in dvc if I level myself into killing vanta if the team is like

Insom/mont/wisdom

[insomnia]

Ye manti, a pretty big potentially bad problem for you is that you gave vanta 1 card and ender apparently another

So we need to decide what to do with them today cuz if they are a wolf and got a vig, it's gg even in a 2 man team

[insomnia]

Can we all agree that there is no viable 3 man team without wisdom in it?

Just so I know where we are all standing

[Maple]

Indeed that is a problem, yes.

[Maple]

I swapped off sunbae thinking he was gonna die in the night

Fuckin monkey's paw ass night phase I swear

The non-wisdom world is

Vanta+ender+1 (but fypov this appears unlikely unless it's the funniest world of all time)

Or

grr+insom+1, but apparently I have notes pushing against this world who knows

[insomnia]

grr / myself world is just not possible

everyone with meta on both of us had us villa pretty comfortably, you just tip your hat and congratulate us, for we would have brought winter during the summer brav

[grr]

for the life of me i have no clue what this wolfteam is doing if it's 3 alive

i guess a team of 3 just doesn't seem possible to me after PoEing and all that

grr / maple (he wins if wolf, i don't have the patience to solo this against everyone who defended him so you can blame them if he's wolf)

it would mean 3 in wisdom / ender / vanta / monte

Im kinda aware now that i must be wrong on one of ender or vanta, not sure if on both. The thinking is that in a 2 man team, mont was bussing wisdom hardcore yesterday when there are plenty other avenues for not bussing, so that team doesn't make sense to me

Hopefully in a 3 man, the team is bussing wisdom and knowing today is the last day she lives

The most dangerous world is vanta / ender

ok but. you are excluding maple for pragmatic purposes which is fine and all. i just dont get how your head goes internally to "3 wolf team doesnt seem possible" i suppose its not how i think about these things. when i clear someone to make the game simpler for me i still dont rule them out when i think about how many wolves there can be so the thought "only 2 wolves" wouldnt cross my mind.

i suppose i generally just find it pingy when people talk the number of wolves down rather than up, cause its generally a red flag in mashes but, but maybe its just different strokes for different folks idk.

grr / myself world is just not possible

everyone with meta on both of us had us villa pretty comfortably, you just tip your hat and congratulate us, for we would have brought winter during the summer brav

I like this world I choose to live in it now. I would finally get my award or recognition for something...

[insomnia]

and the reason vanta / ender / +1 fmpov due to poe can only be mont, which is why im saying it's extremely unlikely cuz in that world

they're all just bandwagonning on a villager instead of splitting their solves to be in better positions

in addition to how funny that team would be

so yeah, im at the conclusion no living 3 man team can exist without wisdom (this is by going with grr villa read and maple hoping he's v due to the insane wolfsiding if he is not that i just can't go against unless im 100% sure on him being a wolf, which simply is never gonna be a thing this dayphase, maybe if we get to f3 and he's alive then i'd consider it)

[insomnia]

well im taking maple as a villa due to the 2 prs who decided to go against consensus all game for thin reasons imo

we have to follow their judgement cuz if we lunch and we are wrong, then it would have all been for nothing

and like i said, i just can't lunch maple today over wisdom even with that.

[insomnia]

im still set on lunching wisdom, mechanically speaking i think it's the correct lunch in a closed setup

however, the biggest issue remains vanta. because if they are a wolf, chances are the game ends if they got a good card, so we need to be sure we all v read them

and ender gave them a card so that could be pairing as well

[grr]

btw monte specifically asked to not receive a card yesterday for a p. genuine reason imo.

call it a dumb micro ping but i dont think he does that w/w with maple (somewhat unlikely) but he defo doesnt do it if maple v and monte w.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Wisdom

For once I think I actually was in the right side of an EOD. Wild times. I reckon Wisdom has been KP that wolves have been dragging through the game.

Benneh was either lost or that was a setup with the spew. Either way idc I just think Wisdom has to contain a wolf.

[insomnia]

think we'd benefit from everyone posting a list and any important thoughts to go along with it
@Wisdom @EnderWiggin @Montmorency @grr @Maple
@VantaBlack

[EnderWiggin]

sorry knights, HUGE punt

that's on me, i am not beating the washed allegations at this rate
@Vanta Black @EnderWiggin

actions?

Gave a card to Vanta.

Further thoughts pending what else is said in catchup.

[EnderWiggin]

think we'd benefit from everyone posting a list and any important thoughts to go along with it
@Wisdom @EnderWiggin @Montmorency @grr @Maple
@VantaBlack

Like a sus list?

I'm still pending catchup but my overnight list that I reached was like:

Wisdom > Probably Maple > One of Grr/Insom?

But given Maple gave a card to Vanta I'm wondering if it's more like Wisdom > Maple > Vanta

Monty I think gets a lot of town cred if Wisdom does flip wolf given they've tried to fight the tide for days to get them voted out when no one else stuck out the tide like em.

Also I still think Monty's play is towny kinda.

[EnderWiggin]

I shot sunbae btw with maples card. I don't even wanna claim it ngl but I probs should rofl. I suppose I can explain it altho I don't really like explaining why I thought a villager was a wolf cuz it was evidently wrong but anyway. I already read had re-read d1-d2 and umm, I basically got reminded of why I was so sus of them early on and thought that was still valid.

He was also was pretty sure(?) about saying Wisdom looked good off benneh the day before so it kinda made sense to me to shoot him, but it's probably stupid reasoning. And I also just kinda believed when knights said Sunbae should be seeing him as town. I don't know how well these players know each other unfortunately but in general I believe these kinda takes.

And also to be honest. I really hoped if I shot wrong that the game would immediately end so I would be saved of the embarassment. alas.

Monte is probably my highest TR. Yesterdays EOD felt towny, todays SOD also feels towny (seems genuinely uninformed that the vig was not done by wolf). After seeing Gemma died, I am not sure if I was totally clowning on copreading bop, I might have been. I have more reads but mostly they come down to everyone else feels like a wolf to me.

Why did you wait through til last night to shoot? Given I assume you could've shot the night you received the card?

Ngl I would've holstered a shot last night purely because if wolves have 3 people left and 2 kp (Which it seems they've had in previous nights) you can lose the game if you for example shoot a town.

But shooting the previous night would've been fine.

Nyeh maybe this is nitpicky and confbias-y.

[EnderWiggin]

[EnderWiggin]

i really do think it's just 2 alive but maybe im intoxicated

I did think about this last night.

It's like the one world where Wisdom is town probably.

But I'd rather play as if we're at lylo than consider non-lylo worlds and lose lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

like idk, for any 3 of those people i struggle to see wtf their gameplan is

The most common theme in there is that they would all be bussing wisdom. I feel like if wisdom was villa, the opinions would differ a lot more and at least someone would express a v read

I feel like there were a lot of people expressing v reads in between the wagons?

Like I was repping a V spew read on Wisdom for a few days before I decided it was a bad read.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to be called so many obscenities in dvc if I level myself into killing vanta if the team is like

Insom/mont/wisdom

If Mont/Wis is w/w that is a hell bus and a half.

[EnderWiggin]

Ye manti, a pretty big potentially bad problem for you is that you gave vanta 1 card and ender apparently another

So we need to decide what to do with them today cuz if they are a wolf and got a vig, it's gg even in a 2 man team

I didn't get a card.

Grr and Vanta were the last two cards according to Maple.

[EnderWiggin]

Huh. I'm up to date and I don't feel drained from the process. Wild.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm gonna grab some food then I'll bring up some of the stuff I saw that made me think of the whole Maple/Wisdom idea.

[grr]

Why did you wait through til last night to shoot? Given I assume you could've shot the night you received the card?

Ngl I would've holstered a shot last night purely because if wolves have 3 people left and 2 kp (Which it seems they've had in previous nights) you can lose the game if you for example shoot a town.

But shooting the previous night would've been fine.

Nyeh maybe this is nitpicky and confbias-y.

I'm not rly here rn but.

The card was backup on a dead player hence it took another phase for me to shoot. I backed up Arctic (I REALLY didnt want to i wanted to back up a cop so i didnt have to shoot anyone but Arctic was the only one that kind of hard hinted at having a role in the first place and I wasnt sure about sheep who was speculated to be a PR and bop who just seemed like "probably" cop to me, and I didn't wanna whiff it on a VT so I took Arctic.)

There was just a lot of stuff going on through my head in how to handle that becuz due to the nature of the card wolves wouldnt know exactly what power i got (Arctic was a tracker with like a secondary comeback vigilante ability which i used last night, Arctic never shot anyone as he didnt have the power available at that point, don't ask me who he tracked I skimmed and wasn't sure).

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not rly here rn but.

The card was backup on a dead player hence it took another phase for me to shoot. I backed up Arctic (I REALLY didnt want to i wanted to back up a cop so i didnt have to shoot anyone but Arctic was the only one that kind of hard hinted at having a role in the first place and I wasnt sure about sheep who was speculated to be a PR and bop who just seemed like "probably" cop to me, and I didn't wanna whiff it on a VT so I took Arctic.)

There was just a lot of stuff going on through my head in how to handle that becuz due to the nature of the card wolves wouldnt know exactly what power i got (Arctic was a tracker with like a secondary comeback vigilante ability which i used last night, Arctic never shot anyone as he didnt have the power available at that point, don't ask me who he tracked I skimmed and wasn't sure).

That...

Makes a lot more sense. Hm.

[EnderWiggin]

dunno what you mean.

if benneh is wolfing it would be very unlikely to be with either sunbae or dya imo. ymmv. kind of a recycled read i used in a hydra game ages ago but its probs accurate.

While I'm sorting things and for whenever you are around:

@grr

Could you explain this D1 thought a bit?