Tarot Mafia

[Maple]

Why protect yourself?

[insomnia]

idk, if you have strong thoughts on my PoE

otherwise not sure what to ask. im pretty set on the resolve i have now, i just don't know the order

im debating just going full lazy mode until i see maple and wisdom flip, not sure what else there needs to be done

i was reading back and found this

you guys are to blame for not activating my prime... turning the SWITCH

[insomnia]

i was reading back and i feel dumb

why did the wolves not kill jan again? the night he "confirmed" maple?

if jan dies, maple dies immediately after, maybe he even gets executed by jan


manti, you can answer this since your PoV is more appropriate

[insomnia]

Ftr I think Wisdom is ~also good.

Mostly cause that last night interaction with me felt very much like wasting my time with questions when I am obviously the one who most has very limited chance to do anything in thread. And the more time I'm not doing any solving the easier it is to push me later.

meh this post is kinda bad

[Maple]

i was reading back and i feel dumb

why did the wolves not kill jan again? the night he "confirmed" maple?

if jan dies, maple dies immediately after, maybe he even gets executed by jan


manti, you can answer this since your PoV is more appropriate

Claimed uninteractable doc/rb. Either you kill Jan, or you have to dodge the jail each night. Plus the utility of a hood.

[insomnia]

alright, guise, DO NOT SWAP for the life of you


unrelated, but man i feel really bad for giving ladd too much shit. i wouldn't have voted him that day he died, but it always feels like my posting gives light to pushing him

our views were incredibly similar but i like to keep him on hot coals to be sure

probably the first time we have that close of a worldview. hopefully it's correct too lol

[insomnia]

Claimed uninteractable doc/rb. Either you kill Jan, or you have to dodge the jail each night. Plus the utility of a hood.

good answer

[insomnia]

i hope wisdom is a wolf

if she is, i really think it's just 1 wolf alive with her, and that one is not mont imo

really messy game y'all

[insomnia]

i guess i'd kill ender next if wisdom is a wolf?

[Maple]

DAY ARSO (douse allowed after igniting)
d1 stett
d2 bop
n2 ignite
d3 ladd or any (ladd unlikely, actions proxiable)
d4 sunbae or any (or gemma if vanta save)
d5 sunbae or any (or gemma if vanta save)
n5 ignite? ladd doused d3, sunbae doused d4, d5 kill missing IMPOSSIBLE, UNLESS SUNBAE+GEMMA+LADD DOUSED AND VANTA SAVED
d6 any - bcw, ladd and sunbae were doused OR cannot douse after ign, meaning d3 d4 missing, d5 live, d6 douse, n6 ignite 2 ftw. (4-2 -> 1-2) OR Vanta saved, 0 doused, d6 any, n6 ignite 1 ftw (4-2 -> 2-2) OR cannot douse after ignite

DAY ARSO (douse not allowed after igniting)
d1 stett
d2 bop
n2 ignite
d3 *no action*
d4 sunbae or any (or gemma if vanta saved)
d5 sunbae or any (or gemma if vanta saved)
n5 ignite ftw, IMPOSSIBLE, UNLESS SUNBAE + GEMMA DOUSED AND VANTA SAVED + grr v ; w!grr: doused sunbae + gemma + fake!vigi + vanta saved ; no ignite: failed to proxy action, dolby doused d4 OR sunbae+gemma doused + vanta saved
d6 *no action* or douse any
n6 *no action* or ignite ftw

NIGHT ARSO

n1 stett/bop
n2 stett/bop + ignite *(motivated)* ; ignite (secondary vig kill on stett/bop)
n3 any (dolby stack)
n4 any (sunbae stack)
n5 ignite ftw if both douses alive (sunbea stack + save) ; ignite ftw w!grr (dolby stack + save) ; no ignite (dolby stack + grr v)
n6, a: previously ignited, no extra KP available, proceed to f5 ; b: ignite ftw (any 1 doused)

ENV
n1 *no action*
n2 stett+bop *(motivated)* ; secondary vig kill on stett/bop
n3 *no action*
n4 *no action* (most lilkely ENV!ben, killed n3)
n5 *no action*

XSHOT (or full) VIGI
n1 stett or *no action*
n2 stett+bop *(motivated)* ; secondary vig kill on stett/bop
n3 dya or *no action*
n4 *no action* (either out of shots or holstered)
n5 sunbae or vanta save or *no action*

INVERTER
n1 Maple
n2 Jan
n3 Ender
n4 *no action* or dyachei
n5 *no action* or sunbae/gemma

Possibilities:
A) dolby inverter, only works if role somehow gains information on their targets, improbable based on handling of my slot.
B) stett/bop inverter, Ender lying, w/w with vanta
C) gemma or sunbae inverter, 3shot or stacked onto dyachei.
D) not a role, cards flip at set times or random.
E) disloyal wolf inverter, holster n4+n5 or stacking with kills
F) wolf inverter, holster, 3shot or targets not claiming

CONCLUSIONS
if w!grr it is pretty likely that wolves are out of kp unless they've been getting insanely unlucky. Orr grr lied about the shot and that *was* their extra KP.

Ender's claim is weird. v!vanta can prove the ability copying aspect of the role but that's about it. Ender *does* slot nicely into a motivator flipping into copier, or simply being w/w with vanta and lying about it. It is also possible that all of this is untrue and it's just wolves being wolves, and of the 3 living wolves we have kp out of shots , *another* kp out of shots or a motivator with nothing to do, and one other utility role or Goon.

Ben was either *something that doesn't change the math* or Goon or some form of kp. Syn was goon or some random utility/invest pr.

So anyway worlds.

I mean

Obv I'm gonna reevaluate every single day.

But let's see.

I am *shook* by my deepdive. Inverter!bop explains things. Like if we assume wisdom is in antispew right now, cause if v atp it's just ggs based on the fact that I doubt we get numbers before day ends and the will to swap, let's view it.

w!wisdom it should be one of the vigi worlds OR the arso claim is severely limited in #kills so we *shouldn't* lose on a hit here. Grr *could* be a wolf on that level, but we're again at "fuck it" territory, I think.

So like

I'm REALLY hoping either insom is right about it just being +1

Or it's the wisdom/ender/vanta world.

If it's a different wisdom world, it's gonna fuckin suck getting into these weeds because holy shit.

[Maple]

@Vanta Black

name the card

[Maple]

4. @Vanta Black
11. @grr
12. @EnderWiggin
13. i@nsomnia
14. @Wisdom
18. @Maple
19. @Montmorency

vanta needs to post the names of the cards , if he does not and you receive a gun, kill him

this is unironically mechanics not fps

on god

[insomnia]

ngl i don't get why you'd be coy about the card this late in the game

it looks really wolfy

[Maple]

The deck does not have repeats, so there is only 1 card in the deck that the action vanta is claiming can be

If vanta does not claim the card and name it, he is outed

or if he guesses wrong lol

[insomnia]

never a good vibe when someone dips in the middle of clarifying something

[Maple]

ender/vanta/grr would be a hell of a way to lose here

REALLY hoping wisdom is a hit

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[EnderWiggin]

Kinda around for eod. Busy as per normal.

[EnderWiggin]

4. @Vanta Black
11. @grr
12. @EnderWiggin
13. i@nsomnia
14. @Wisdom
18. @Maple
19. @Montmorency

vanta needs to post the names of the cards , if he does not and you receive a gun, kill him

this is unironically mechanics not fps

on god

I... am not entirely following. Not naming the cards is ~eh but like I can just name the card I gave???

Unless you're claiming Vanta is lying about us giving 2 cards?

[insomnia]

ender/vanta/grr would be a hell of a way to lose here

REALLY hoping wisdom is a hit

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if grr is a wolf, i tip my hat

[Maple]

I... am not entirely following. Not naming the cards is ~eh but like I can just name the card I gave???

Unless you're claiming Vanta is lying about us giving 2 cards?

You naming the card should work here, yes

[EnderWiggin]

You naming the card should work here, yes

Cool.

I gave em the Page of Pentacles.

[EnderWiggin]

This is probably confbias but this seems like the lamest gotcha to try and give another path at eod instead of Wisdom.

[Maple]

okay, now i need to know what *specifically* the card does to be able to finish piecing together this mechanics information
@Vanta Black

like, what *type* of protection?

(for example, using a medic save on someone, which would stop an NK; firefighter preventing a douse, etc.)

[Montmorency]

Where we end D6 between players (fill out as necessary):

Insom: Likes Vanta/Monty, dislikes Ender
Maple: Likes grr (relatively), dislikes Ender, FOS Vanta
Ender: Likes Monty, islikes Maple,
grr: Likes Monty, dislikes Insom
Vanta: ???
Wisdom:

[Vanta Black]

4. @Vanta Black
11. @grr
12. @EnderWiggin
13. i@nsomnia
14. @Wisdom
18. @Maple
19. @Montmorency

vanta needs to post the names of the cards , if he does not and you receive a gun, kill him

this is unironically mechanics not fps

on god

Well, I am assuming your card was the Ace of Swords (and with a name like that it shoudl be a vig, but it wasn't). And I am assuming you knew it was only a modifier.

The other card, Ender's, was a something of pentacles. I'd have to go into my PMs to check.

I didn't get who gave which card, just "you have The Ace of Swords, here's what it does."

[insomnia]

This is probably confbias but this seems like the lamest gotcha to try and give another path at eod instead of Wisdom.

Nah we're not moving

[Vanta Black]

okay, now i need to know what *specifically* the card does to be able to finish piecing together this mechanics information
@Vanta Black

like, what *type* of protection?

(for example, using a medic save on someone, which would stop an NK; firefighter preventing a douse, etc.)

I have no idea what you're going for here.

Here's where I am: I believe your claim that you can hand out cards. I don't believe that makes you town. I have seen scum inventors, in fact more than town inventors if I'm remembering right. (Not a lot of them really.)

I protected myeslf because I didn't want to risk using the card on scum.

[Vanta Black]

I will add that in my brief readimg Montmorency seemed a little salty about not getting a card!

[Maple]

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so it was a medic save/doctor ability ?

[EnderWiggin]

I have no idea what you're going for here.

Here's where I am: I believe your claim that you can hand out cards. I don't believe that makes you town. I have seen scum inventors, in fact more than town inventors if I'm remembering right. (Not a lot of them really.)

I protected myeslf because I didn't want to risk using the card on scum.

I... what?

You didn't want to risk using a protective on scum?