Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Lissa]

I'll be honest I barely remember EOD2 and had to go back to reread it to find out what you were talking about lol.

I remember the vote on Lissa was like it felt like Jan was being yeeted 100% at that point, and I felt like Lissa had posted some stuff I found sussish towards that EOD. Jan wasn't towny to me but I had a flash of "What if Jan is dealing with the thing I do where I'm mostly afk due to irl and get sussed due to recency bias" but also it was 90% "If I make the wagons more level we might see more interesting EOD movements."

(Also sometimes I just vote against my reads to make a more tense EOD, which definitely leveraged it.)

Tbh I did not properly understand Waza was in danger until the flip happened so that's 100% my bad because I think I would've probably saved em in the moment? I thought it was still Jan or Lissa at the end and was okay with either of them.

Though that's really kinda my word for it so feel free to discard.

hrm

i was def never going over by actual eod (well unless i swapped to maple and made that 2/2/2 tie i was considering whether i should lmao)

felt like that was kinda clear but idk

[Maple]

oh i forgot this as well

I dont think this comes from a wolf

Doubt i am ever lunching rask

Oh I forgot about this lol

[ladd]

manti also seems like a wolf which means i won't look like an idiot this game thankfully (hopefully)

iirc this is where i started to think visor/maple w/w. Visor only push so far was essentially a naked vote at eod on maple:

vote: manti

I will endeavour to check in before eod but no promises there

Ladd if you can please explain why you changed your mind on ender that would be great, his entry just seemed crap to me

so the wording of the post about not looking like an idiot if manti is a wolf seems weird and trying to grab credit for a maple wolf flip

[ladd]

It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo

Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur

And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about

Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something

Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home

the bolded is pretty much what ender wolfread maple for d1 (pretty hard9, did that not influence your ender read at all?

[ladd]

Read thread.

1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan



I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.

I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.

well i really dont like that wolf team lmao

the groupins seem fine tho



also lissa pretty clear just from pag 17. The way they push jan and the timing just does not feel like a buss at all (it comes right after waza says jan return is fine and no one really looking at jan much atm)


I confirm I am never touching lissa/rask this game

[ladd]

1. I do not think Rask and Visor are wolves together. Even with the early Rask vote on Visor which could be early w/w theater, the pressure has continued into the second day goes in both directions. Specifically I think visors post about Rask where he says he went “mask off” locks in it as not w/w. Note this is also the first post of visors that made me realize he was likely just a villager (probs the vilalgeriest post in the thread). Rask also has a post in #320 where he cases visor and uses visors case on Waza being bad (which wasn't Visors case, it was mine) that looks earnest in its attempt to kill Visor.

2. The way Raskol defends Maple in #221 (“maple was just lacking at the time”) in an effort to shade Enders vote on Maple was something I noted. Rask also had a post in #241 pairing up Lissa/Maple as “coordinated” and then again in #262 calling the wolf team Ender/Lissa/Maple and yet again in #299 asking Ladd “why logic instead Maple” to vote. The ways that Rask is shading Maple in some posts and defending in others strikes me as something unpaired because to me Rask would be consistent with either defending or shading, not oscillating between the two.

3. As for why I have a Raskol wolf read in general it's a combination of Rask misattributing the case of waza being bad to Visor in an effort to push Visor near eod, being told that wasn't Visor, and then rather than shifting to thinking I'm wolfy then (the author of the Waza case) Rask just changed it to the Cape case from Visor as the reason Visor was wolfy. Additionally, I thought the shift from “why logic instead of maple” to #337's post about thinking Logic's behaviour is more likely to come from a wolf than not. What changed between #299 to #337? On top of that, I am a sucker for listening to people who just flat out say “hey this person is my friend but they are obviously wolfing to me” the way Visor did about calling Rask going mask off.

wrt the bolded rask had said visor cape case was wolfy from super early one, they just wrote the wrong name thats why when being told it wasnt waza but cape it changed nothing

i also dont get why you think visor is semi clear off the push on a friend but rask is a wolf when they have been pushing visor hard for all of d1

visor pushed back on rask cause he was kinda forced to, rask pushed on visor when they could choose any player to push

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 876

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (21), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (54)
4	Not Voting	Lissa (32), Maple (11), Sunbae (29), ladd (22)

[ladd]

i liked lissa voting jan just because its a little more stick your neck out than i typically associate with her wolf game (which is probably woefully out of date meta lol)

but i also need to like actually SEE something lol. @Lissa sil vous plais

i wish jan had stronger reads

or like a pet read or something that he kept going back to

maybe my meta is off base but i dont think this would be your reaction to lissa hard pushing somoene if u were a villager

you would vote jan with lissa or something, instead of sitting on a vote on manti:

vote: manti

cmon bronana

do something

rask i have read your posts - i will probably respond in the morning

i will sleep on your post as well sunbae - too tired to put into words rn

[Lissa]

(am I the only person using 80ppp? do people think that's cursed lmao)

i just picked the highest one

anyway

uh

i'm gonna write some words about sunbae in like

a bit

i think

cape dying over like me or visor was a biiiit weird

[Maple]

there's a lot of weirdness but nya

[Lissa]

nya

indeed

im trying to continue my reread of the game

im.... not very far along LMAO

[ladd]

i am on pg. 20

rask/lissa are so villagery, super easy clears imo

i am reading eod and i dont like visor push on waza (waza made a perfectly fine post about sunbae possibly being a wolf cause the rask/me/wza team is 3 villas)

he also votes jan only once with a naked vote when it's already 3/2 jan vs lissa to make it 4/2:

vote: jan

Entschuldigang

says pretty much nothing to push on jan and then switches to pushing waza


also no mention of manti who he was pretty confident was a wolf at all this eod

lissa has more posts than me wtf lol

vote: jan

now switches back jan and votes are 3/3 jan-lissa:

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 624

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Lissa	EnderWiggin (13), Jan (6), Raskolnikov (29)
3	Jan	Cape90 (23), Visor (43), ladd (9)
1	Visor	waza (31)
1	Raskolnikov	Sunbae (21)
1	waza	Lissa (49)
1	Not Voting	Maple (20)

15 minutes

eder eod also sucks. vote on lissa for not explained reasons, no mention of jan who was his d1 wolfread and now is a wagon
ù


man seeing lissa/waza stuff go down at EoD is sad. you were both very villagery oh well




visor just seems like a wolf to me. sorry if wrong eheh

[Lissa]

waza did get villagery af in response to me/in general after the posts i didnt like, i was so sad i didnt save him, wished i took the 1/3 rand

i shoulda just committed on jan and not cared about the mech stuff

[ladd]

alrighty i am caught up

rask/lissa i am never voting this game, you can hold me to this



sunbae - until d3 i dodnt see why he couldnt be a wolf but i think his posting today and the conclusion he has come to are both correct and villagery in processo so maybe i am a sucker but i think he is just a villager

ender - i dont see who he could be a wolf with. he is not with maple and not with visor (i think) so ya only viable is team is like sunbae/ender but that does not feel right to me + i dont think he would go for a gambit again against a similar PL+i think he has been reasonably villagery except eod2+jan piced the target during d2 and he had ender as top villa so ender as target makes sense to me

maple - prolly wolf by PoE. If not we are in trouble cause it's probably some super hard world like sunbae/visor

visor - i have explained why i think he is a wolf and why i think him/maple makes sense as a fit



i'll be back for EoD tho expect it will just end in a maple lunch

[Lissa]

alrighty i am caught up

rask/lissa i am never voting this game, you can hold me to this



sunbae - until d3 i dodnt see why he couldnt be a wolf but i think his posting today and the conclusion he has come to are both correct and villagery in processo so maybe i am a sucker but i think he is just a villager

ender - i dont see who he could be a wolf with. he is not with maple and not with visor (i think) so ya only viable is team is like sunbae/ender but that does not feel right to me + i dont think he would go for a gambit again against a similar PL+i think he has been reasonably villagery except eod2+jan piced the target during d2 and he had ender as top villa so ender as target makes sense to me

maple - prolly wolf by PoE. If not we are in trouble cause it's probably some super hard world like sunbae/visor

visor - i have explained why i think he is a wolf and why i think him/maple makes sense as a fit



i'll be back for EoD tho expect it will just end in a maple lunch

@ladd again? what was the gambit he did before you're referring to

[Lissa]

alrighty i am caught up

rask/lissa i am never voting this game, you can hold me to this



sunbae - until d3 i dodnt see why he couldnt be a wolf but i think his posting today and the conclusion he has come to are both correct and villagery in processo so maybe i am a sucker but i think he is just a villager

ender - i dont see who he could be a wolf with. he is not with maple and not with visor (i think) so ya only viable is team is like sunbae/ender but that does not feel right to me + i dont think he would go for a gambit again against a similar PL+i think he has been reasonably villagery except eod2+jan piced the target during d2 and he had ender as top villa so ender as target makes sense to me

maple - prolly wolf by PoE. If not we are in trouble cause it's probably some super hard world like sunbae/visor

visor - i have explained why i think he is a wolf and why i think him/maple makes sense as a fit



i'll be back for EoD tho expect it will just end in a maple lunch

@ladd again? what was the gambit he did before you're referring to

[Maple]

not to be cliche, but whatcha feeling in a v!me world, exactly ladd? ya know, in case you die or smth

[ladd]

He was wolf 1 shot bpv giver

Gave visor a vest and shot him the same night so he went to f3 off that claim

[ladd]

not to be cliche, but whatcha feeling in a v!me world, exactly ladd? ya know, in case you die or smth

Sunbae/ender or sunbae/visor i guess

Visor/ender as backup but prolly not

[Lissa]

He was wolf 1 shot bpv giver

Gave visor a vest and shot him the same night so he went to f3 off that claim

ic

i can see the similarity yes



if it wasn't clear from my previous post re: sunbae i think i sorta kinda think he's a wolf but i have to like dig into stuff and write it out to see if i think it even really makes sense

i made some lunch so hoping maybe i can focus on this reread at last

[Maple]

Sunbae/ender or sunbae/visor i guess

Visor/ender as backup but prolly not

lmao we're cooked

[Lissa]

Manti acknowledged the claim and then called em wolfy anyway.

Possibly was a joke I missed but felt kinda weird.



Do it.



That is taking my reaction out of context in a horrible way mate.

My reaction changes based on context.

Ngl this hit down only to end it with "idk if it's wolfy" is kinda sus.



???? why



Unironically this is so town!Sunbae it hurts.



Why u so sneaky.



I want to start a wagon on Cape so pretty good chances that's a town there.



Really Ladd.

When did I ever ask others for a read on you?

If you're gonna come for me actually quote what I did properly like.

Also Maple just latching onto the Cape omgus once Lissa fields it feels like aggro wolfin'. Like they haven't mentioned Cape despite apparently having a mini-case locked and ready to go.

Instead literally 100% of Maple's posts have been "Ender wolf" with no other nuance and then latching onto a second target once Lissa sets the tee up. (If I'm right on this it's also 99% Lissa town because that wolfy-latch-on is not w/w.)

Small footprint wolftell always feels good.

some ender jan stuff, hm

well

one of these isn't about jan i swear i had a second about jan but i can't find it on the entire page now i must be losing it

I don't think the "omugsing" on knights the treestump was real and just silly one being silly


Cape decided to "sheep you" and you voted maple before maple said they are omgussing you (and you did not post in between.

So either it was not a sheep or his reason cannot be the omgus.

You and anyone else can argue that it was a reaction test, and Maple's reaction was bad.
That is fair.
But nobody has said that.

Ladd got a 2nd vote because of Knight's friendship with him!

All is well as far as I understand.


I like Lissa pushing cape for the ender-sheep.
You can vote maple for reactions, but anything more than that is a reach.

Really? So Maple doing nothing but omgusing and latching onto things isn't wolfy in the slightest?

(this was @ jan)

Manti acknowledged the claim and then called em wolfy anyway.

Possibly was a joke I missed but felt kinda weird.



Do it.



That is taking my reaction out of context in a horrible way mate.

My reaction changes based on context.

Ngl this hit down only to end it with "idk if it's wolfy" is kinda sus.



???? why



Unironically this is so town!Sunbae it hurts.



Why u so sneaky.



I want to start a wagon on Cape so pretty good chances that's a town there.



Really Ladd.

When did I ever ask others for a read on you?

If you're gonna come for me actually quote what I did properly like.

Also Maple just latching onto the Cape omgus once Lissa fields it feels like aggro wolfin'. Like they haven't mentioned Cape despite apparently having a mini-case locked and ready to go.

Instead literally 100% of Maple's posts have been "Ender wolf" with no other nuance and then latching onto a second target once Lissa sets the tee up. (If I'm right on this it's also 99% Lissa town because that wolfy-latch-on is not w/w.)

Small footprint wolftell always feels good.

some ender jan stuff, hm

well

one of these isn't about jan i swear i had a second about jan but i can't find it on the entire page now i must be losing it

I don't think the "omugsing" on knights the treestump was real and just silly one being silly


Cape decided to "sheep you" and you voted maple before maple said they are omgussing you (and you did not post in between.

So either it was not a sheep or his reason cannot be the omgus.

You and anyone else can argue that it was a reaction test, and Maple's reaction was bad.
That is fair.
But nobody has said that.

Ladd got a 2nd vote because of Knight's friendship with him!

All is well as far as I understand.


I like Lissa pushing cape for the ender-sheep.
You can vote maple for reactions, but anything more than that is a reach.

Really? So Maple doing nothing but omgusing and latching onto things isn't wolfy in the slightest?

(this was @ jan)

i wrote and lost some stuff here but not a lot really

ender/jans a bit weird

maple/enders a lot weird

maple/ender/jans a LOT LOT weird

[Lissa]

I disliked you sheeping ender. Might be a wording issue, but enders entry was clearly not reasonable and should not be sheeped for no good reason.
Everything else you did was fine.

I disliked Lissa's post on me right now more, and she has been pushing on you before.
(The post she picked in context was a direct reaction to Ender, where I explain something that happened.)

In addition to that, it is the 2nd (?) time Lissa picks up someone's slight doubt and makes it her own push.

mmh. I also don't reaaaally feel like this is w/w with ender lol

and it soooorta fits with maple.

ngl the site is just loading really poorly rn and it's definitely not encouraging me to continue this reread

frustratingly

takes ages to load quoting anything lol

i finally started playing horsegirl game

[Raskolnikov]

Heya friendos and Visor (I had two correct reads D1 pal, stop the toxic shade fgs! I am locked in my room crying because of you now)

finishing my ketchup (that is if p29 ever loads smh)

[Lissa]

holy shit the thread loaded for the first time in like 2.5 hours

[Raskolnikov]

wrt the bolded rask had said visor cape case was wolfy from super early one, they just wrote the wrong name thats why when being told it wasnt waza but cape it changed nothing

i also dont get why you think visor is semi clear off the push on a friend but rask is a wolf when they have been pushing visor hard for all of d1

visor pushed back on rask cause he was kinda forced to, rask pushed on visor when they could choose any player to push

^^ that's part of why it took me a while to get to Sunbae villa tbh. D3 is more clean though, just villagery imo.

[Raskolnikov]

test

[Raskolnikov]

the org is back!

[Lissa]

unfortunately that period of hours was most of when I had planned to do a bunch of things and I will not have a TON more in the extra 12h but ohhh welllllll let's see what we can do here

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 899

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (21), Raskolnikov (27), Visor (54)
4	Not Voting	Lissa (42), Maple (14), Sunbae (29), ladd (27)

Because the org was down, I've extended deadline by 1 hour. New deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...=cursive&csz=1