Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

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I have this deep dark feeling that I am once again going to be the game-losing misflip for town. Tbh I thought that yesterday but I was wrong so here's hoping I'm wrong again.

But I'm expecting to see a Ladd alive and Lissa flip in the morning. I did deny Lissa the hammer intentionally to hopefully reduce that chance but after I did that I kinda honestly thought it was a futile move.

Sunbae isn't going to want Lissa over Ladd. So hi Ladd. Given our history I don't know how I'm going to win this game for town but I'm going to give it a fair shake. (Unless you're wolf in which case I called it but I still lose lol)

So yes, after Sunbae's vote I hemmed and hawed for a while because honestly I was like "Does Sunbae really pre-empt that on a partner?"

But Lissa had just said that she thought Visor was the wolfier. And I'd just made a comment or two about Visor being the wolfier. (I was going to vote Visor tbh after I re-wrote my wall but you'd have to trust my word for it so nyeh.) so I think Sunbae was honestly just taking the thunder away from other people and setting down the first vote.

And then I was like "If Lissa gets the hammer she's hammering Visor. And if she's right then she gets killed in the night 100%." So I took that away and hammered Visor myself.

So I'm going to jump back to Sunbae. I have tossed this over in my head and it was what settled the previous night as the most confident thing I had.

Sunbae, why does he randomly go after me when I'm unassailable? When I've just shot one wolf and no one is challenging my position? Because, as wolf, he's not going to garner sus then either. Maple is on the block and nothing is saving him.

Sunbae can set up for the next phase of the game, trying to undermine me.

Which also harks back to "Why did Jan give me the gun."

Because, as I said on that day, it honestly makes so little sense in the grand scheme of things. Because wolves potentially lose an ml.

But I think I kind of have an answer to that. They didn't know who had the Last Parting gift. And if, say, Maple or Lissa (Who were getting a lot of sus prior to Jan's flip) had it then we could clear POE with it still.

And given my vote on Lissa maybe I was swayable. If they can get me onside with Jan then they've pretty much won the game since I was one of the most vocal sussers of Jan (In my impression at least.)

Risk with not much downside since Maple is tied heavily enough to Jan that they can easily chain that together.

So I've done the rereading and things I think are indicative of wolf!Sunbae that I really want to bring to your attention:

1. Jan townread on D1 (Very strong) only to reverse it when he realised that Jan was tanking and very quickly heading towards being very sussed.

2. Visor literally spent a lot of D1 trying to bait someone into leading the wolfread charge on me.

3. Sunbae desperately played for the hammer in the hopes it would be given because they just win then.

4.

I find you and Ladd villagery on posting still which is why Im struggling this game. Via posting I think you two are the villageriest two while mechanically/dealing with the deal wolf I think ender (killed)/lissa (push) are and I'm hung up in my "my vibes vs mechanics" torn viewpoints. I'm also baffled by how locked in both of you are on each other - you on him more given i think if you read his posts he's just been massively pro villa this game and you dont seem to have really considered that - but yeah. Part of me thinks both of you would have an easier time seeing the other as villagery as villagers so i also have a SMALL FEAR that its both of you.

I feel like this is easily the wolfiest post in the thread regarding the F5. Sunbae is intentionally finding reasons to fence sit and talks about "assuming Visor/Ladd as v" right after saying Visor/Ladd should cross.

And as I said, Visor and Sunbae spent more time talking about reading *other* people. Also I find it hilarious that they spent a lot of in-thread time talking about a horse game.

5. You remember how you said that "If you think Visor/You are w/w after D3 you're a wolf"?

Could I get your thoughts in as much detail as possible on a potential Visor/Ladd world? Earlier I called it the most logical one if I just ignore posting (ender shoots jan, you heavily case jan, visor and ladd are just good posting woofs). And if you don't want to be convincing me because you think I'm a wolf pretend you're convincing Ender of it!

I can't help but notice that Sunbae is intentionally trying to field it.

this was moments before he wilded a Lissa/Me world because it would push two town into the wolf sphere and you/Visor were nettling. He literally flung whatever was at the wall in hopes if finding a way forwards. It never felt like Sunbae was trying to solve the game in an organic manner.

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I could diatribe more but got a headache so I'll continue once day starts and I can post instead of re-writing things in a notepad lol.

@Lissa

Still relevant info but enjoy my incredibly wolfy appeal to the night kill

[EnderWiggin]

2. Vanta's post about it looking like Visor is trying to chain something together and he doesn't like it is villagery for the exact same reasons I find Waza's posts wolfy. I look at it and say "wow good thought process Vanta, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager". Werewolf is a stupid game and I am able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously.

Also wanted to point out how Vanta townread for sussing Visor for trying to chain things but never comments a read on Visor until:

think my current start for suspects is in but not lissa/cape nor visor/cape so my interest there is significantly less than the previous 3

probably a villager
jan
ender
cape

lean villager
rask
ladd

woofing?
maple
visor
lissa
waza

But then D2 comes to Visor's side against Raskol's attack at which point they basically rep a townread on Visor.