Prop 8 to pass?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Which is why their argument is so asinine- it's an amendment to the constitution. It's changing what the document says.

Mind you, I'm not saying their case won't win. Liberal judges are supposed to rule based on compassion and empathy, not any sort of rational standards, like the law.

Really, the initiative is changing the constitution of the state - but those ACLU idiots will support their ideologies first over what's in a constitution always.

CR

[KarlXII]

Really, the initiative is changing the constitution of the state - but those ACLU idiots will support their ideologies first over what's in a constitution always.

CR

Huh. Really, isn't that what the "Yes on Prop 8" crowd is doing? Putting their religion and ideologies over what the Constitution says?

[Strike For The South]

Can anyone find me An actual California Constitution? I really can't give an opinion until I read how the define marriage and if it should be there in the first place.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Huh. Really, isn't that what the "Yes on Prop 8" crowd is doing? Putting their religion and ideologies over what the Constitution says?

No, they're changing the constitution.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

Things going through the courts really isn't going to help the situation, look what roe vs wade did for abortion then compare it to the abortion situation in europe, i don't think gay marriage will be so decisive in the years to come as its obviously not as easy to get emotional over but it could create some negative feelings for a long time....

[Devastatin Dave]

Huh. Really, isn't that what the "Yes on Prop 8" crowd is doing? Putting their religion and ideologies over what the Constitution says?

No, its preventing the attempt to make perversion a norm.

[KarlXII]

No, its preventing the attempt to make perversion a norm.

You say tomato, I say tomahto.

[Devastatin Dave]

You say tomato, I say tomahto.

And more importantly, the California voters said "no" to gay marraige. How many times must the California voters have liberal activist judges disenfranchise their votes to satisfy you?

[KukriKhan]

I'm personally just jazzed that DevastatinDave is defending California voters. Woodathunk?

[LittleGrizzly]

Its part of dave's new 50 state stratergy...

[Koga No Goshi]

And more importantly, the California voters said "no" to gay marraige. How many times must the California voters have liberal activist judges disenfranchise their votes to satisfy you?

Southern voters said "no" to interracial marriage and integration for decades. What's your point?

This issue isn't going to go away. The reason these things wind up going to courts is precisely because overt discrimination and unequal treatment requires widespread social consent in order to continue. Getting the same people engaging, or tolerating, discriminatory treatment to vote against their ability to continue in said discrimination is why so many civil rights advances have their birthplace in courts, with overarching Federal legislation frequently following along after the fact.

That plus, the overt LYING in the multimillion dollar "yes on 8" ad campaign scared people into voting for 8 on things which had nothing to do with 8. The belief that you are so morally correct in opposing gay marriage, that you are morally justified in lying on a massive level to get your way, is not the proper functioning of the democratic process IMHO. If you just listened to the ads you would think 8 had to do with whether or not gay marriage should not be taught in public schools, or that kids should not have to attend gay weddings in their education. I never heard a single yes on 8 ad that in any way even approached telling the truth about what the law was. I didn't even know it was a ban in the state constitution until I read more about it online.

[Devastatin Dave]

Southern voters said "no" to interracial marriage and integration for decades. What's your point?

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This is the lamest arguement from the left about this topic. You don't choose what pigment your skin is, but you do choose what orafice you use for sex. Homosexuality is an action. Yawn....

[CrossLOPER]

No, its preventing the attempt to make perversion a norm.

YOU DOWNLOAD A GIG OF PORN EVERY FRIDAY.

[Devastatin Dave]

YOU DOWNLOAD A GIG OF PORN EVERY FRIDAY.

But I'm not pounding my at the city courthouse now am I?

[CrossLOPER]

But I'm not pounding my at the city courthouse now am I?

Wait, so those who masturbate frequently can't get married? HARDCORE MAN.

[Devastatin Dave]

Wait, so those who masturbate frequently can't get married? HARDCORE MAN.

Well played...

No, my point was that I keep my perversions within the confines of my home and don't need to government to recognise them. No matter how much people try to make homosexuality a "normal" sexual tendancy, its still a perversion and there is no need for it to be recognised put at the same level as a normal marraige between a man and a woman. Its not religous, its sanity. The voters have decided, I thought liberals were the great defenders of the mob rule?

[Husar]

Well, you can say what you want, but it is kind of ironic, that in a democracy a referendum asking the demos should be illegal because of a constitution.