The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

I'd like to voice something that has bothered me from the beginning, yet was never able to put words to it.

If the ecofreaks are able to convert, then why kill? Killing eliminates a possible convert, and incites said dead townie to become angry at them. A converted townie helps with voting and increase numbers, allowing the mafia to achieve their goal FASTER.

To me, this means several things -

The mafia either may only recruit so many,
The mafia actually lacks the ability to convert,
The mafia only has a chance to convert, where as they are guaranteed the elimination of a townie by killing them,
The mafia are highly experienced players, and are weeding out possible townie who would be bad for conversion based upon their lack of experience and susceptibility to being exposed, and expsoing those they associate with,
The mafia is highly inexperienced, and hasn't thought analytically about their position.

Also, reading through Pizzaguy's posts, I have come to a handful of conclusion, although I admit RR beat me to most of them.

1 - Do not bother trying to tell innocence from the write ups, where dealing with a cult like behavior who believe in something higher then themselves. As far as they are concerned, they will win, and that any sacrifice they make is better for the whole, thus they will be just as willing to be cyro-ed as town would.
2 - The words "Order, Balance, Harmony" continue to crop up in Pizzaguy's writings. Why? From what I gather, they hold significant importance. No other words are as repeated, for little or no reason, as these are. Pizzaguy is one to try to imbed clues, even if it is detrimental to his own side, in his writing.

3 - Also, as noted by Seamus and Reenk, Pizzaguy's tone changed significantly midway through the game. This leads me to believe he is a convert, and could have possibly been a protown role, which would explain his rather...revealing lynching. Thus, a thorough reading of Pizzaguy's posts, just before and just after, may reveal much information...if the town is willing to work for it.

*sighs* not another Chaotix please....YLC you just got FoS for talking about hippie-based crap....1 and 2 MIGHT be true but 3 is worthless....because Pizza guy being a Pro-town role? (then why kill shlin?) Just ignore all of Pizza guys posts....he only wants to confuse you....He is VERY tricky....and only wants his side to win by any means necessary

[Thermal]

and someones trying to dominate attention again ahem....

at least he's trying, i think YLC is doing fine, and if he's wrong he can't be blamed, mafia is always full of mystery....

[ULC]

White_Eyes, please read through again and then see that I said Pizzaguy could have beena pro-town role BEFORE he was converted.

May I ask why your so willing to just quash my statements, instead of logically debating them? FoS, White_Eyes, FoS to you, for not actually debating what I said. I also do not see how my statements are "Hippie-Crap".

1. This is a statement made by Reenk Roink sometime ago, yet he hasn't been pounced on it like I have been.
2. I've studied Pizzaguy's play style, play behavior, and thought patterns exstensively after me humilatingly used me earlier this game. This is the way he likes to play, and since the town seems to have fettered out on ideas, I was only suggesting a new train of thought.
3. I was suggesting we pay more attention to the posts JUST before, and JUST after Pizzaguy's change in behavior, correlate the differences, and see what we can come up with. I am not suggesting we sit down and read with a glancing eye, but a serious analytical approach. I am sure a sound mind would have no proplem reading Pizzaguy's posts and be able to look past the propoganda to the meat of the post. I take it White_Eyes, that you don't like puzzles? I like puzzles, especially Jigsaws, and to make it even more challenging, I'll mix several together. It's only a matter of sorting out the garbage from the gold, and not getting distracted wanting to put the garbage together.

[White_eyes:D]

Ok, why are some people so sure that Choatix27 is innocent? Because his lynching write up was generic? Means nothing to be honest, except to give a bit more credence to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia.

Put Askthepizzguy on ignore for sure for the rest of the game. Strongly consider putting Chaotix27 on it as well.

YLC, you just made me even more suspicious of you for your defense of reason #3....Reenk was one of the first ones to SAY to ignore them, as all Pizza Guy would say would only help the Mafia confuse the Town....as his second post says below....

A very good idea. Look, Askthepizzaguy is going to try to be a Lokiesque figure. Everything he says is corrupting, even though we know him to be Mafia and expect him to lie! It puts doubts in our minds, and just adds to the mess of confusion and speculation. Of course Askthepizzaguy knows that he can never get us to believe something exactly in the positive or negative, but simply by reading his posts, we get ideas in our heads that come from a known Mafia. It's better we never have these ideas in the first place..

so what do you have to say for yourself YLC??? why did you say Reenk as someone who said those things earlier? about reason #3 When he was the one to warn us not too? and like I said reason 1 and 2 earlier IS something I thought of in my mind....but Reason #3 will only confuse the town......

[ULC]

I'm confused, at what point did I attribute anything but Statement #1 to Reenk? #2 and #3 are utterly my ideas, not Reenk's. Why are you trying so hard to crush my ideas, White_Eyes, with such blatant illogic?

And I am not trying to confuse the town, but rather help it. I do not even see my attempts as confusing, and only you so far have voiced any concern as too my ideas. I will wait for others to comment before further refining my hypothesis, but lets be honest White_Eyes, why not actually reason with my statements instead of pointing erratically, desperate to search through the text for one tidbit with which to nail me to the proverbial cross?

Reading Pizzaguy's posts will not hamper our minds, so long as you don't actually believe in what he writes. I don't, and it's rather easy to dissect them, to look for useful information. Plus, I am fairly sure Pizzaguy is a convert, which means a change from his posting before and after might shed more light.

But instead of logically debating that, you prefer to immediately and irrationally accuse me of putting words into Reenks mouth, which I did not.

[White_eyes:D]

1. This is a statement made by Reenk Roink sometime ago, yet he hasn't been pounced on it like I have been.

Then why did you say this? and the only reason why I didn't pounce on Reenk is because I agree with what Reenk said earlier, about Pizza Guy only putting ideas into our minds if we analyze it too much. I mean that's what happened to Chaotix and it is starting to sound like you as well.
(You know where he started to talk about the Mafia being the good guys and the town being the bad guys and on how we ALL should join the cult and some bullflop like that)

[ULC]

Your still taking it out of context. That statement correlates to my first primary statement, as follows

1 - Do not bother trying to tell innocence from the write ups, where dealing with a cult like behavior who believe in something higher then themselves. As far as they are concerned, they will win, and that any sacrifice they make is better for the whole, thus they will be just as willing to be cyro-ed as town would.

Now, pay more attention