Where? - Mini mafia [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

I enjoy you guys suffering... I mean having fun.. Pm quoting will ruin it

[Thermal]

when does this day end then?

[Beefy187]

1 hour remaining

John was in the realm of madness. He couldnt think straight anymore. He decided to think out of the box.

"Ok to find a key... I must outwit my self. Now normally I would've hid it in the Toy box. but that is rather obvious and the risk of it getting discovered by Liz is higher by 20 percent. I mean who wouldnt hide stuff in well secured place? Thus I must've thought...I must've came back to the old school mystery novel idea that to hide some stuff, it is better to hide it in very obvious place. Hat stand? Thats rather bizarre but its not impossible... With the help of bluetac, anyone could hide their key anywhere in this 21st century. Yes so Hat stand!!"

As obvious it can get, hat stand did not have the key.. Nor any sign of blue tac. Not even under the hat stand. So John had to scream once more.

"NOOOOO"

*Phone rings

"Yes?"
"Hi its Martha ag....."

*Clang!!

Last chance for the towns. Good luck!!

He has 30 minutes remaining.

List of unsearched furnitures 3/7
Aries (Vacuum cleaner)
Beaver (Couch)
YLC (Bed)

List of searched furnitures 4/7

QJC (Toy box)
CA (Wine Cabinet)
White_eyes (Bathroom cabinet)
Pever (Hat Stand)

[Thermal]

[ULC]

Vote: Beaver

[Beaver]

I'm pretty sure I know who it is now. YLC. Why? Well, he just voted me. If he were innocent he would have been more careful than that. I mean, if Aries did have the key he could just have voted me and got it over with. I even checked and Aries has been online since that vote and no vote on me almost certainly means it is not Aries. So it is YLC. I waited to vote/post just to see what you would do. And this makes me certain I am right. I wouldn't have voted YLC like he just voted me just because of the possibility that it might have been Aries. That is a way too risky thing for any innocent to do. YLC, you might as well have confessed that it was you. I vote: YLC, and this time I am 100% sure about it. You ARE guilty!

[ULC]

Beaver, that is the worst logic yet. It sounds stupidly paranoid. But since it will be easier to simply vote for me, then go ahead. I'm innocent, and don't have to much at stake. But let me try to refute your irresistible and confounding logic.

There are 3 players left, one of us has the key. Which means this is the last round, if the town doesn't get it right, they lose. So thus, why would the mafia participate in the vote at all? Especially to vote first?It makes infinitely more sense to wait, watch, and pounce at the last moment. If the mafia votes first, in such a crucial round, just before victory, he makes himself open to attack, instead of waiting until close or the end of the round to post and vote, to secure his victory with ease.

The way your posting, you make it sound as if I had already convinced Aries that he would vote for you. Why would he? Why would you suddenly be so worried that you might be voted for?

I even removed a reason for voting. I didn't justify my vote, why should I? Logically, a mafioso will want to to a degree at this stage, he needs to, otherwise he will come under suspicion and he could lose everything. I don't care, I don't need too, I have nothing to lose. So vote for me Beaver, and lose. It's up to you.

[Thermal]

i really dont hav a clue what to do...
i dont feel anything strong against either of you, but as beavers just said ylc's vote was very suspicious.... i was waiting to see what everyone else wanted to say, im in no rush to vote for anyone, i was going to vote for ylc tbh, but it would be nice to hear from you more, if it wasnt for white eyes certainity of beavers guilt, i would have voted for you already ylc

edit: i see you've started talking, ignore this

right i've seen that you said mafia supposedly vote at the last minute, so i'll vote now then if that is your wish
vote: YLC

[Beaver]

No YLC, I didn't really mean it like you say it.

I'm not paranoid because you're voting me. Acctually, I'm not paranoid at all. I'm just finding that vote very suspicious. You, however, seem paranoid. I fail to see how I assumed that you had convinced Aries to vote me. I said that IF Aries would have had the key, he could just have voted me just after you did, and therefore get enough votes to lynch me. I see what you say about that the mafia should wait to until the end of the round. Aries is the only one who hasn't voted yet. Shouldn't that mean that we should suspect him? I'm not saying you that we should. I'm just asking you what you think about that. I am perfectly fine with you voting me, but if you are innocent, it's your own grave you're digging, so to speak. Of course I am doing the same thing by voting you, if you are innocent. I still don't think you are, but you took up some valid points to why you would be.

"I don't care, I don't need too, I have nothing to lose. So vote for me Beaver, and lose. It's up to you." I have to say that you're assuming I am innocent here. I know I am, and I've said it all the time. But why you would vote me if you don't think I am the one who is guilty is beyond me. Or are you saying that I am guilty and Aries is going to vote me just because I voted you? Explain.

Edit: Oh, Aries voted, that changes a few things.

[ULC]

Right, I was waiting for Aries to vote, see which way this swung.

Unvote:Beaver
Vote:Aries

Beaver, you've played well, but I'm just one of those people that naturally incriminate myself by speaking to much. But I never trusted Aries, after his very poor handling so far, and his rather OOC lack of sillyness. But little evidence ever truly pointed his way, so just voting Aries whenever he took the misguided advice of another player, which he fully knew well was wrong, made my mafia sense go nuts. But I knew, as a crackpot (for this game), I wouldn't be listened too, and thus decided to keep it to myself until it could make a difference, which is now. Beaver, vote, Aries, you will not be disappointed.

[Thermal]

Right, I was waiting for Aries to vote, see which way this swung.

Unvote:Beaver
Vote:Aries

Beaver, you've played well, but I'm just one of those people that naturally incriminate myself by speaking to much. But I never trusted Aries, after his very poor handling so far, and his rather OOC lack of sillyness. But little evidence ever truly pointed his way, so just voting Aries whenever he took the misguided advice of another player, which he fully knew well was wrong, made my mafia sense go nuts. But I knew, as a crackpot (for this game), I wouldn't be listened too, and thus decided to keep it to myself until it could make a difference, which is now. Beaver, vote, Aries, you will not be disappointed.

what the heck? you vote for me and make this scam up after i vote for you? non-sense!

But I never trusted Aries

this makes no sense, you've regarded me fine until now, well boo hoo, this clearly isnt the truth, if anything it just shows how malicious you are

OOC lack of sillyness

i have my 'spam spells' nown and again, but thoughout my mafia games im playing seriously at the moment, i spammed after returning from lost internet as i hadn't a clue what was happening in the mafias, 'lack of sillyness'? the same can be said for you, this quote isnt even dignified, it is based on nothing

little evidence ever truly pointed his way

oh right because i was busy trying to help town by framing the key welder and trying to do a good duty by rooting them out, which is more than can be said for you, i think you resort to jealously here

misguided advice

wrong, i questioned those who made stupid suggestions on who to vote for, such as pevergreen, and commenened those that thought about it, like beaver, this isnt to stick up to him, as i've never belived him to have the key has ive mentioned frequently, unlike you who changes his mind like a yo-yo

Beaver, vote, Aries, you will not be disappointed.

you will be, and not a very good start to mafia to, we've trusted each other throughout beaver, it is only us who have investigated really, you have to see through YLC's futile plot, we can't let mafia win when town victory is so close!

as a townie ( and i never have been mafia) it would be nice to win for once! ACK!

[ULC]

Aries, it's called not voicing my suspicion, as to why I apparently "trusted you". Lynch me, the mafia win. I know I am innocent, hell, if Beefy LET ME, I'd do a reveal, but he won't, and a suicide right now is an automatic mafia victory.

You sillyness - I'm basing that on a statement you made in Promethues, where you explicitly stated that it your playing style. Is it? If not, then it is unfounded, but why backtrack on your statements?

Little evidence pointed your way - Indeed, no evidence ever pointed your way, and your statement is rather sarcastic, biting, and angry. There is no need for that, and plus, I said nothing pointed to you, which in fact is true, yet your trying to refute this statement...with evidence that points to you being innocent. Explain that to me.

Misguided advice - Yes, you took the advice of another, always hiding in the shadows and using another logic, not your own. Not once have you truly ever stepped into the light, and willingly risked yourself but presenting your own case towards another person. Not once. I have done so repeatedly, and in such a fashion that I have been questioned, suspected, and almost lynched because of it.

As to voting to you - You have the Key, Aries. Beaver is either very experienced, and plays like ATPG, or is rather foolish, if he does. You however, come back at the last moment and uncharacteristically defend yourself, very heavily I might add. Why?

[Thermal]

uncharacteristically defend myself? oh you know just trying to prevent a complete catastrophe! i've never been in a mafia game that has got to such a crucial stage, your comment about me hiding in the shadows is laughable as i, along with you have one of the highest post counts here, my statements aren't sarcastic either, you blame we for everything quite suddenly and say there was no need for my previous post? well no mafias gonna get me ruined, not now, your not going to ruin this, unless beaver has the key which seems so low right now, also you seem to think that i looked innocent, if so why tell beaver im mafia and say you knew it was me along, hipacrittical behavior attributes from you YLC, and yes i can be serious when i want to be (though this isn't an offense on you personally, merely a game of mafia that i know you dont want to lose)
also i notice you came up with the reveal idea! you obviously expect that while coming up with such a 'townie' idea you will be seen as a goodie, well good job beefy blocked this pm quoting as i couldnt stand looking at a pm with would clearly be heavily altered with mafia cover ups for your behavior, ylc

[ULC]

Quote Beefy187

You are the innocent? bed

Like most other furniture's, you like your privacy thus don't like to get searched. You really don't care about Liz and Johns marriage and if your master wants to have some 'fun' why not let him have it?

As a townie, your aim is to assist John to find the key, thus lynching the right furniture.

And damn the consequences. Now Aries, where do you stand?

[Thermal]

i respect the game rules, if beefy says i can, i will

[pevergreen]

Aries, I am unaware of just how much experience you have with mafia here, but would you actually be able to tell a faked PM from a real one? Even in something like this. Don't expect the PM's to be similar, Beefy is crazy like that.

OH NO, THE CHICKEN IS GETTING RUINED. SURVIVE CHICKEN SURVIVE!

[ULC]

OH NO, THE CHICKEN IS GETTING RUINED. SURVIVE CHICKEN SURVIVE!

Thanks for the laugh Pevergreen

If you want, I'll even forward the PM Beefy sent me to you [Pevergreen], and we can all have a laugh.

[Thermal]

Aries, I am unaware of just how much experience you have with mafia here, but would you actually be able to tell a faked PM from a real one? Even in something like this. Don't expect the PM's to be similar, Beefy is crazy like that.

OH NO, THE CHICKEN IS GETTING RUINED. SURVIVE CHICKEN SURVIVE!

well YLC's supposed pm is no where near as perdantic as that one, and i really can't make a judgement upon it

[Beaver]

You guys are certainly not making this easy. Twice I've been sure it's YLC, twice I have started to doubt. You, YLC, are good at talking yourself out of things. Thism however, doesn't have to mean anything as far as having the key goes.

I have suspected you for quite some time, this is true. But I've also tried to find more evidence against you, just because of that. I can admit that. This of course have some problems. If you are innocent that is. Moreover, half of what you say makes me suspect you more, half makes me think you're innocent.
As for suspecting Aries, it might all be a lie because you're the mafia and when Aries made up his mind to vote you, you decieded to try to get me over instead, because of my last post. This is the first possibility. The other is that you're really innocent and that you were suspecting Aries all the time. As far as I see it, any of these might be true, because there are reasons for voting Aries. Or maybe I am just getting paranoid that it might be him when I've trusted him all the time.

And now, Aries, not until late have I really considered the option it might be you. Of course I'm considering it might be you. We're three guys left and one of you two has the key. I guess that is reason enough. YLC does have some good points against you. And your defense is weak and rather aggressive at some points. Though I'm aware that mine is too. I'm still not really suspecting you, but I have to take the possibility into consideration. There is acctually not any evidence saying you're innocent either.

As for who is voicing suspicions, I'd have to say that's me. And that it is not necissarily a good thing either, some of them was rather foolish and has brought me into trouble *cough*White_eyes*cough*. Enough about me though. I think you both are saying some true things here. It is true that Aries haven't been pushing his cases enough. But I still remember that in the first half of the game YLC didn't say much either.

I'm not sure, but I don't suspect Aries enough to unvote. I think it is YLC, for a number of reasons. I might be totally wrong here, but YLC has said a lot more things that makes him suspicious. However, Aries hasn't really made much sense in some of his posts. He is keeping a bit in the background but still posting, if you understand what I mean. And the last posts has made me turn a little. Keep posting guys, someone has to make a slip! (So if someone starts lurking now I assume he has the key)

EDIT: Ignore the post, I have to give in for this new evidence. Unvote: YLC / Vote: Aries. YLC's PM might be a violation of the rules, but it is exactly the same as mine (except I'm the couch).

[Thermal]

well great cause i have to go to bed now, its 1 am on a school night, now thats motivation, when i come back on i'll answer anything your unclear on, i felt my retalitions were valid to be honest, i do not see how YLC is twisting his way out of this, inevitably you'll probably vote for me as he has the time to post, bah forget it then

though if pevergreens write about beefy doing random pm posts then that doesnt mean a thing beaver

[ULC]

You guys are certainly not making this easy. Twice I've been sure it's YLC, twice I have started to doubt. You, YLC, are good at talking yourself out of things. Thism however, doesn't have to mean anything as far as having the key goes.

I have suspected you for quite some time, this is true. But I've also tried to find more evidence against you, just because of that. I can admit that. This of course have some problems. If you are innocent that is. Moreover, half of what you say makes me suspect you more, half makes me think you're innocent.
As for suspecting Aries, it might all be a lie because you're the mafia and when Aries made up his mind to vote you, you decieded to try to get me over instead, because of my last post. This is the first possibility. The other is that you're really innocent and that you were suspecting Aries all the time. As far as I see it, any of these might be true, because there are reasons for voting Aries. Or maybe I am just getting paranoid that it might be him when I've trusted him all the time.

And now, Aries, not until late have I really considered the option it might be you. Of course I'm considering it might be you. We're three guys left and one of you two has the key. I guess that is reason enough. YLC does have some good points against you. And your defense is weak and rather aggressive at some points. Though I'm aware that mine is too. I'm still not really suspecting you, but I have to take the possibility into consideration. There is acctually not any evidence saying you're innocent either.

As for who is voicing suspicions, I'd have to say that's me. And that it is not necissarily a good thing either, some of them was rather foolish and has brought me into trouble *cough*White_eyes*cough*. Enough about me though. I think you both are saying some true things here. It is true that Aries haven't been pushing his cases enough. But I still remember that in the first half of the game YLC didn't say much either.

I'm not sure, but I don't suspect Aries enough to unvote. I think it is YLC, for a number of reasons. I might be totally wrong here, but YLC has said a lot more things that makes him suspicious. However, Aries hasn't really made much sense in some of his posts. He is keeping a bit in the background but still posting, if you understand what I mean. And the last posts has made me turn a little. Keep posting guys, someone has to make a slip! (So if someone starts lurking now I assume he has the key)

Wow, Beaver, I am truly impressed. That's a nice bit of summing everything up so far. I must admit though, I kinda have to wait for Aries to post so I can respond further. I don;t have much to say about what you have written, but it is very accurate so far.

Indeed, I suspected Aries as I watched things go by, because, well, he was always following anothers advice. I'll admit to doing that, but usually only once. I am not normally an agreeable person, and actually like to be a bit antagonistic and get a rise out of people in mafia games, because it gets discussion going, and people talking, even if it's directed at me. And you never know, in anger someone might slip, so it might be practical.

[ULC]

well great cause i have to go to bed now, its 1 am on a school night, now thats motivation, when i come back on i'll answer anything your unclear on, i felt my retalitions were valid to be honest, i do not see how YLC is twisting his way out of this, inevitably you'll probably vote for me as he has the time to post, i just hope you stick to your guns, cause i'm not around to reply to his lies now

Aries, why are you being so angry, instead of just answering my posts rationally, calmly? I do for you...

[Beaver]

Well, I understand if he wants to go to bed at 1 am on a school night. But I don't know if you noticed my edit? Anyway, here it is:

EDIT: Ignore the post, I have to give in for this new evidence. Unvote: YLC / Vote: Aries. YLC's PM might be a violation of the rules, but it is exactly the same as mine (except I'm the couch).

I just fail to see how you could possibly have faked a pm that looks EXACTLY as mine below;

You are the innocent couch

Like most other furnitures, you like your privacy thus dont like to get searched. You really dont care about Liz and Johns marriage and if your master wants to have some 'fun' why not let him have it?

As a townie, your aim is to assist John to find the key, thus lynching the right furniture.

Enjoy

[Beefy187]

OH NO, THE CHICKEN IS GETTING RUINED. SURVIVE CHICKEN SURVIVE!

And heres my beef.. (Warning!! inside joke) and dont you there share everyone that video of fame.. i mean shame...

As for the pm quoting

I could WoG you both.. But whats done is done and cannot be undone. So I will allow Aries to post his as well.

And I shall honor Aries bed time by extending this phase

[ULC]

I was hoping no one else would try to reveal Beefy . I was just planning on flooring Aries with my audacity...

[Beaver]

Sorry about that, but how did you know mine wasn't a fake? It is after all the exact words from YLC's... I might have copied them from him.

I think it's safe to admit why I acctually belived this:

But I never trusted Aries, after his very poor handling so far, and his rather OOC lack of sillyness. But little evidence ever truly pointed his way, so just voting Aries whenever he took the misguided advice of another player, which he fully knew well was wrong, made my mafia sense go nuts.

It's because I did the same thing for half of the game. At the end I suspected Aries as much as YLC. The reason why I didn't say anything was because I didn't wanted Aries to vote me, which would result in the innocents losing.

[Beefy187]

I was hoping no one else would try to reveal Beefy . I was just planning on flooring Aries with my audacity...

Lucky because im merciful. If it was other hosts... insta ban!

[pevergreen]

Lucky because im merciful. If it was other hosts... insta ban!

Khaan >_>

[Thermal]

forget it, i cant refute an exact replica pm, he ruined it

[Beaver]

It was getting really interesting, I was really unsure when I posted that long post. But when YLC posted a pm exactly the same as mine... Yeah, you get it. But Aries could have tried to turn it against me. "Sorry about that, but how did you know mine wasn't a fake?" was my way of saying that I still might have had the key, without acctually suggesting it. Just to get Aries another chance to turn this, it would only have been fair.