Updating nationality traits during game

**Ludens** · 12-18-2008, 21:04

Originally Posted by General Appo

That sounds very interesting. Though of course as you say some restrictions would have to remain. For example, I don´t think the Romans would historically have taken in any of the Carthaginians or the Puno-somethings.

Perhaps not in 200 B.C., but in 272 B.C. the enmity between Roma and Carthage had not started yet. Also, wasn't Emperor Septimus Severus from Libya?

**Cimon** · 12-18-2008, 21:11

Originally Posted by Ludens

Perhaps not in 200 B.C., but in 272 B.C. the enmity between Roma and Carthage had not started yet. Also, wasn't Emperor Septimus Severus from Libya?

Yes, Septimius Severus was from Leptis Magna.

**General Appo** · 12-19-2008, 10:37

Originally Posted by Ludens

Perhaps not in 200 B.C., but in 272 B.C. the enmity between Roma and Carthage had not started yet. Also, wasn't Emperor Septimus Severus from Libya?

True, but seeing as I don't think there´s a single recorded event in which the Romans allowed a non-Roman to control a Roman army, I'd be perfectly happy if the Romans didn't get access to any foreign ethnicities at all.

**Ludens** · 12-19-2008, 14:49

Originally Posted by General Appo

True, but seeing as I don't think there´s a single recorded event in which the Romans allowed a non-Roman to control a Roman army, I'd be perfectly happy if the Romans didn't get access to any foreign ethnicities at all.

I can think of several examples, but these were all during the Empire. Point taken.

**General Appo** · 12-19-2008, 17:25

You know...I think that in the future whenever I am attempting to get a point across I will end my argument with yelling "Take point!".

Yes, a good idea.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-19-2008, 21:57

I'm thinking that once you bribe an enemy general into your family, he could be given a simple trait entitled "foreigner" or something of the sort. But this would be largely unsatisfying... In EB1, I generally gave bribed generals an ethnicity trait through RomeShell.

Originally Posted by Appo

You know...I think that in the future whenever I am attempting to get a point across I will end my argument with yelling "Take point!".

Yes, a good idea.

Wow, that was a spammy comment. (Take Point!)

**Leon_Corona** · 12-24-2008, 00:46

Well after my test game as the Aedui where i bribed roman generals so they could have children. It appears that the children do not have a nationality trait at all. Neither gaulic nor roman. Shame, is there any way to add one? -Leon

**a completely inoffensive name** · 12-24-2008, 03:47

Am I remembering right that in EB2 the trait system will be different, more complex but more fruitful?

**burn_again** · 12-29-2008, 21:21

Originally Posted by Leon_Corona

Well after my test game as the Aedui where i bribed roman generals so they could have children. It appears that the children do not have a nationality trait at all. Neither gaulic nor roman. Shame, is there any way to add one? -Leon

You can give them a nationality trait via console command.
For example: give_trait "Tancogeistla aeduimocFergalos" AeduiBrannovici
Just look in export_descr_character_traits.txt for the right ethnicity and in descr_names.txt for the name.

By the way, that way you can also change nationality during a campaign:
give_trait "Tancogeistla aeduimocFergalos" AeduiBrannovici -1
give_trait "Tancogeistla aeduimocFergalos" AeduiAedui

Now your Brannovici FM is an Aedui.

You could also use ethnicities from other factions and have greek or persian FMs, but that could produce strange results as ethnicities determine some other traits. Also the ethnicities for Pahlava and the Romans change the displayed name of the character.

**Ibrahim** · 12-31-2008, 02:59

Originally Posted by Ludens

Perhaps not in 200 B.C., but in 272 B.C. the enmity between Roma and Carthage had not started yet. Also, wasn't Emperor Septimus Severus from Libya?

From Leptis Magna.

not only that, but he spoke Punic as his first language. he had a thick punic accent in his latin too.

now to get the book and quote it.

**General Appo** · 01-03-2009, 22:03

Doesn't matter if you qoute it, ye olde Septimus became Augustus 193AD!!!
What the Romans did 193AD is of no consequence to EBII. At all. No foreigner was ever, ever allowed to command a Roman army during the Roman Republic and for the better part of the Roman Empire as well. For indeed, Septimius was a Roman citizen, since the definition of what it meant to be a Roman had changed since the Republic, but you still had to be a Roman to control Rome's armies.
And no foreigner would ever, ever ever evere verve rver ve rver ver veever verevv ever have been allowed to command a legion of Senatus Populusque Romanus.
Therefore I urge that the Romani faction should not be able to obtain any ethnicities at all, but only the various family traits currrently in place in EB.

**Cartaphilus** · 01-06-2009, 00:50

Yeah, this is like pretending that one "Obama" could be president of the USA in XIX century.
A funny joke.

**Atraphoenix** · 03-15-2009, 19:44

Do not worry. It can be modded but mostly it may be an unofficial submod. I do not think that EB team's module will not be so extended to represent this for historical accuracy.
It depend on common agreement, coding is the easiest part for traits that can be modded and triggered according to available events like "foreigner" trait you can trigger on this trait other nationality traits.