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    Thread: Whither the War on Christmas?
    Lemur 20:40 12-26-2008
    Say, I don't seem to have heard as much "War on Christmas" foolishness this year. Maybe I've just tuned it out, or maybe it was put out to pasture to make room for more Obama-the-Socialist-Crypto-Muslim airtime, but still, I feel as though something's missing.

    Can any rightwing Orgahs explain what's going on? Where are the outraged howls and books and TV specials and Bill O'Reilly head-explosions?

    Is the war lost? Is it won? Is it ongoing? How many have died, and why haven't more medals been handed out? Please clarify.


    -edit-

    Oh, this is good: Bill O'Reilly claiming he personally won the War. Is that what happened? Did O'Reilly lead the faithful to victory?

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    KukriKhan 03:32 12-27-2008
    America is less (or not at all) afraid of the big, bad Islamic boogeyman anymore. Bill did it all by himself, of course; just ask 'im.*

    So, the war was won. However, the counterinsurgency against Kwanzaa continues. Today was Umoja (unity). Tomorrow is Kujichagulia (self-determination). Sunday will bring Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility)...

    What Kwanzaa needs, in my opinion, is a Clement Clarke Moore (the T'was the Night Before Christmas guy) to write a stirring, emotional piece, and a Santa-type figure - a human face with nothing but the best intentions, giving away free stuff. I wonder... how would Mr. Obama look in a beard and red suit? Hmmm...

    *o'course the right drugs at the right place, at the right time helps.:)

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    lars573 05:37 12-27-2008
    Look no firther than Futurama and Kwanza-bot.

    Seen here with his holiday trinity members Hanukka Zombie and Santa Claus.


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    Idaho 14:16 12-27-2008
    "Sacred Christian Holiday" ...lulz....

    It's been a festival of getting pissed and eating too much and giving each other prezzies for over 2000 years. The Christians made a decent attempt to nick it a few times - but they just don't have the goodies on their side.

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    Proletariat 18:02 12-27-2008
    I think this 'war' pretty much just engaged Bill O'Reilly and a few other hysterical drama mongers in the media and on the internet.

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    TB666 18:47 12-27-2008
    Originally Posted by Lemur:
    Oh, this is good: Bill O'Reilly claiming he personally won the War. Is that what happened? Did O'Reilly lead the faithful to victory?
    Wasn't he like the only one fighting ??
    Guess the war is finally over in his head.

    As for me, as a swede there was never a war here.
    But I did get a laugh from that book cover, "sacred christian holiday".
    That's a good one

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    Tribesman 19:10 12-27-2008
    John Gibson ?
    Isn't he that frothing at the mouth while talking out of his arse "conservative" fruitcake who is able to achieve the seemingly impossible ?
    By seemingly impossible I mean he can actually make O'Reilly look like he isn't the biggest idiot who got a show on Fox , which is one hell of an achievement .

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    CountArach 21:45 12-27-2008
    Originally Posted by Tribesman:
    By seemingly impossible I mean he can actually make O'Reilly look like he isn't the biggest idiot who got a show on Fox , which is one hell of an achievement .
    So John Gibson = Sean Hannity?

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    Crazed Rabbit 22:12 12-27-2008
    It got overshadowed by the election. *It* of course meaning the hot air from some pundits reacting to some air-headed 'politically correct' or 'multiculturally sensitive' people's actions.

    Or take this classy display from atheists granted equal space with a Nativity scene in Washington state's Capitol:
    Originally Posted by :
    With a nod to the winter solstice -- the year's shortest day, occurring in late December -- the placard reads, in part, "There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."
    The 'hard-hearted' sponser of the Nativity scene had this to say:
    Originally Posted by :
    Asked whether he was bothered by the atheist display next to his Nativity scene, Wesselius said, "I think the Nativity scene will speak for itself."

    But he added, "I appreciate freedom of speech and freedom of access. That's why they're in there, and hey -- you know, that's great."
    CR

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    CountArach 22:31 12-27-2008
    Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
    Or take this classy display from atheists granted equal space with a Nativity scene in Washington state's Capitol:
    Good on 'em.

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    seireikhaan 23:29 12-27-2008
    Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:

    Or take this classy display from atheists granted equal space with a Nativity scene in Washington state's Capitol:
    So does this mean we're classifying atheism as a religion?

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    Askthepizzaguy 13:00 12-28-2008
    Originally Posted by :
    So does this mean we're classifying atheism as a religion?
    LOL

    Might as well. Makes sense to me.

    I feel a Lewis Black style rant coming on... am I in the Backroom? Are the children in bed? Is it in spoilers? Moderators, please don't ban me! Not directed against anyone or group in particular, but in general towards the Godly folk.


    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    I'm very devout about my belief in the natural and the rational, as opposed to the supernatural and the irrational. You can call it a religion; I believe in what's real, as in what is provable and rational. I believe it so strongly that I even tend to dismiss preposterous things without analyzing them to their fullest extent. For example, if someone tells me that if they smash the skulls of kittens together, it will make their penis longer, I will not believe them. And no, I didn't bother to scientifically test their theory either.

    It takes a leap of faith to believe in reality. Some people are so frightened of it that they invent all kinds of fascinating diversions which comfort and amuse them; such as astrology, Tarot, psychics, magic tricks, incantations, miracles, curses, wishes, faeries, zombies, time-travelling aliens, angels, demons, devils, gods, feng shui, luck, Fate, Destiny, Fortune, prophecy, creationism, life after death, heaven, hell, limbo, purgatory, reincarnation, alternate dimensions, holy scriptures, dragons, wizards, hobbits, fairy tales, legends, myths, fables, and Hollywood movies. While they are amusing diversions, one should never take them so seriously that they become obsessive and religious about them. Have you seen Star Wars nerds take it to that level where they run around with plastic toys, in brown robes, claiming to have mastery of the force? These are grown men. Then you have Scientology, which is basically the same thing. Tom Cruise thinks he's an immortal Sith Lord who will one day rule the galaxy with his offspring as father and test tube baby.

    UFO cults come right after that, because when you dress the same and commit mass suicide to join the superior life force from the Crab Nebula, you deserve to have Scotty beam you up. Then look at Islamic Jihad, men blowing themselves up to have precisely 72 virgins, given to them by Allah. My question is, do women get into Allah's heaven, and do they have 72 virgin husbands? A bunch of nerdy Trekkies who do the vulcan salute and get aroused? It's certainly worth killing Jews over.

    sarcasm, folks.

    Catholicism and Judaism rank right behind that, the whole creation story where Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve, you evil, evil godless homosexuals) have two sons, one of whom kills the other and then runs off in a world that has never been populated by human beings, and finds himself a wife. So does Adam and Eve's third son, even though it never mentions who these women are, where they came from, and why they weren't brother and sister incestuous couplings. Not to mention the idea that a senior citizen built a 450 foot long wooden ark all by himself and also managed to herd two of every animal (scientists have yet to identify every animal, and they've had millenia to do it, as well as teams that include more than just one old man in them) into the ark, as well as food for all those animals, and of course, places for them to poop, and also, enough fresh water for this boat filled with how many metric tons of life forms....

    And the kind and loving God will send you to burn in hellfire forever and ever should you neglect to be dipped in magic water or forget to praise Jesus sufficiently, but then again he loves you and has infinite compassion, and the former and the latter aren't mutually exclusive. Mormonism... white people came to America first, before the natives did, and Jesus visited there too... yep that's proven by science. Wicca, casting spells on people. Of course, that's entirely plausible in this day and age.

    What is the difference between Tarot cards and a magic 8 ball? Nothing. What is the difference between a lucky rabbit's foot and a cross that someone displays for protection against the devil? None. What about exorcisms and human sacrifice? These are all perfectly rational things. Virgin births, virgin wives, virgins in the afterlife, religious people seem to absolutely HATE the idea of a broken hymen. And yet, much of what the holy texts focus on is sex. How bizarre... all the rules handed down by God almighty telling you it's bad to sleep with your sister or your donkey, because he made us so perfect that he had to mention not to have sex with animals.

    I could do this all day and for every single religion, superstition, phobia, or otherwise irrational belief, fear, or teaching. The War on Christmas exists in the minds of people who believe that Christmas always involved a tree, with Santa Claus, and elves making toys at the North Pole, and that there was always christmas ham and yule logs and mistletoe, and that to change any of those things or not acknowledge the Christmas is the worst sin. This ignores the fact that Christmas happens coincidentally during the pagan holidays, and borrows almost every single one of it's traditions from the evil, godless pagans.

    Christmas Trees (Germanic tree worship), Santa Claus (Odin), Yule Logs (Yule), hanging Mistletoe, everything associated with modern Christmas is a pagan concept. And the modern holiday of Christmas only really gained importance during the past 200 years. Before that, Easter and Epiphany were the greatest of holidays.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(holiday)

    I could rip on Easter, too, but that would be too simple.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter


    Whosoever wages the war either for or against Christmas is wasting their time. Celebrate whatever holiday you want, whenever you want, however you want to do so, but don't force your beliefs on me or bully me into submission because your precious holiday doesn't get all the attention in a world that is not 100% obsessed with YOUR PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION of Christianity.

    Christmas has nothing to do with reindeer or trees or logs or any of that. Jesus lived near the desert. He wasn't a white man. There was no such thing as Christmas shopping for a long, long time. An actual observance of Christ's birth would NEVER happen on December 25th, and given his lifestyle, he would encourage charitable giving and poverty, not driving around in a new corvette. The message of the season got lost in the commercialization and paganization of the observance of a holiday that never had anything to do with anything it currently stands for. You want to decorate a tree and say Ho Ho Ho that's just peachy but it does not have anything to do with Jesus whatsoever, and when you don't understand the actual recent and ancient history of your own holiday, it makes no sense to boss people around who don't celebrate it exactly the same way you do, or don't observe it at all.

    If you wanted to have an honest celebration of the life of Jesus, you wouldn't do it with plasma screen TV's and video games. You'd do it by fasting, reading the Bible, donating to charity, making your own clothes, visiting the sick in the hospital, laying down your arms and promising peace to everyone on earth, whether they believe in Jesus or not, whether they celebrate your holiday or not. The message of Christmas has gotten so lost, so twisted, so perverted by the very people that claim to observe the tradition and worship the God, that it boggles the mind of someone like me who honestly doesn't even care what you do with it. It's your religion, do whatever. I just wish when someone decides to say Happy Holidays, you could do the Christian thing, which is smile and say thank you, and return the sentiment, instead of declaring a political correctness war.

    See, I am in the minority. Most people on this planet have some kind of belief, and in spite of some of their more violent and tragic mistakes, I still love them all. I tolerate their different views, and even celebrate with them during their holidays, and wish them all the best, and don't correct them when they say "God Bless You" when I sneeze, because I don't believe demons are trying to escape from me, nor do I believe God actually blesses some people and not others. You know what I do? I smile and say THANK YOU.

    Because it's not my business how YOU observe YOUR customs and traditions, holidays and religions. So I'd appreciate it when someone who's not a Christian who greets you at the store does an acceptable thing, which is give you a standard, general greeting and best wishes over the holidays, whether you're Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan, atheist, or believe in bubblegum faeries, and it applies to everyone, you don't take offense and say that war has been declared on Christmas.

    No one should be forced to say Merry Christmas, or Happy Kwanza, or Hail Xenu. No matter what it is, no one should ever be forced or pressured to believe or celebrate another person's religion, or be prevented from celebrating it within reason (no human sacrifices, for example).

    There is a war on Christmas, and that's the perversion of it's meaning. And frankly, Christians did that to themselves by stealing from the pagans. Now, it's a holiday about stock prices and sales and a magical elf that lives on the north pole, not about Jesus. As a non-religious person, it doesn't bother me, but maybe instead of jumping down the throats of people who say "Happy Holidays" you restore the meaning of Christianity itself to Christmas first. Subtle, humble suggestion, from your friendly neighborhood Godless heathen.
    Whooo.... my... got that out of my system. Sheesh, that's been building for a while. Where did that even come from? Years of biting my tongue I suppose. I don't mean to offend anyone.

    You ever stop talking and realize that everyone else in the room is looking at you strangely, as if you were some kind of 3-headed alien who just gave birth to a watermelon?

    Merry Christmas, everyone. I mean that sincerely, and no hard feelings. I know I might ruffle a few feathers, but in all seriousness, we are one big happy human family and even though we disagree I still love ya.

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    Husar 10:52 12-29-2008
    That's a nice watermelon, pizza.

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