The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

GH because I just can't see how role blocker can be a mafia. If GH is the old man, who loves the island then yes I can see how he gets angry for some scum destroying artifacts. Yes I can see how dirty we tourists can be. But old man, protects tourists. tells them tales about the island. That means old man loves tourists. And don't want all the bloody mess going on, and tourists choosing to avoid the little place for ever.

Sloppy. I know. If old man wants the tourists to die then why take them to secret location. Tell them boring tales then let them go un harmed?

sorry its dinner time. Ill explain more when im back

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bad Beefy.

You're repeating the old defenses of GH (not adding anything new)
You're ignoring new evidence (his lynch targets appear to all be innocent, his survival, his obscenely powerful, yet strangely ineffective skill... etc. List goes on and on.)
You're giving excuses for not contributing more.

If this pattern continues, I'm putting you higher on the list, my friend.

[ULC]

*ahem* Just interjecting here a bit with something I caught from the previous game. Manfredo, the SK/mafia last game, was able to investigate two people per night. Just a coincidence? I think not, hosts like to keep some continuity with their roles per game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My accusation of GH could come to a screeching halt if this is the case.

I stated before I thought Manfredo could potentially be useful to town. And GH is an "old man", is he not? Manfredo is old, is he not? The abilities are the same, are they not?

He hasn't demonstrated pro-town alignment to me, though. He's still a dangerous man.

[Beefy187]

Well I will not vote for GH next phase. Possibly the last round depending on how things roll. Im still not convinced that GH is the mafia.

boudica ceased all activities for couple days. Both mafia and diplomacy. I'm willing to believe her reasoning for the RL

WIFOM as this may sound, but if I am the mafia, I would just accept your reasoning and go for a easy bandwagon.

3 shooters left. Not all players on your side are going to be innocent ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, both you and GH surviving to the end, as top suspects, will make it too late in my estimation. By then it won't MATTER if we lynch GH.

I still await your reasons WHY. I'm a curious man, I need to know WHY you're doing this.

Your scum scent is getting stronger.

[Beefy187]

Hah great. More I speak, more I get scummier.

I will only lynch claimed pro town at the very end, just for the sake of saying "hah you didn't trick me"

and say if GH was a mafia. Good we lynch a mafia. Theres still 2 killers roaming around. We got 2 more lynching opportunities. Why not, kill one of the suspect. Hope that his the mafia. If the game doesn't end, we lynch GH on the final round. That way GH or other buddies can hopefully kill each other.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beefy, I like you, I respect you, and I generally trust your instincts too.

You haven't demonstrated proper reasoning as to why not GH. WHY not GH. I understand you don't want him dead this round. The only reason I can suspect is because he's your favorite little mafia buddy.

If you can demonstrate alternative reasoning, please do so now.

[TinCow]

But old man, protects tourists.

The old many says he protects tourists, but doesn't actually do so. He didn't do anything to protect ATPG, and Seamus' most recent post with his night result PM indicates that he didn't do anything to protect Seamus either. So, GH claims he is a doctor. His targets have been attacked TWICE at night while he was supposed to be protecting them, yet his role does absolutely nothing to protect them, resulting in ATPG's death and Seamus being possessed or whatever that was.

We also have no evidence whatsoever that GH has ever even role blocked anyone. With the exception of the first night, kills/attacks have continued exactly as we expected them to. Two attacks per night from the digging duo and the random other one from Manfredo/vigilante/athlete/The Punisher/Batman/Manbat. Thus, GH has spent 7 nights targetting TWO people per night, yet there is no proof that he has ever successfully blocked anyone and conclusive proof that he FAILED to protect two people who were attacked while he should have been protecting them.

Ignore the above at your peril.

[edit] I will add this: even if GH is truly pro-town and clueless as to why the above has occurred, as he claims, lynching him is still the right move. Imagine any other player saying the same things GH is saying. Would GH advocate to keep them alive? No, he would not. He would move to lynch them, because the information indicates something fishy and something fishy is never good for the town.

[Beefy187]

He did protect me. And if pm quoting is allowed I would post it here.

And more I defend for him, more GH gets scumier so he survives anyway.

Be notified, I've played mafia number of time. And I think I know mafia strategy. Stay off your partner. Fight him, duel him, vote for him. But never defend for him. Never gather attention. Never fight against main stream opinion.

Unless im a uber mafia who breaks all the usual mafia tactics... Heh.. That was so embarrassing for me to say.

At this point, I cannot use anything but WIFOM to defend my self.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tincow, in spite of our delightful sparring in another game, I agree wholeheartedly.

You know your stuff, and it is clear to me that we cannot corroborate GH's supposed "most valuable townie" skill at all. And if he were so valuable to town and dangerous to the mafia, he'd be long dead by now.

If he had a REAL role, the scums would have been seriously blocked.


Q- What about the nights they were supposedly blocked? Hmmmm???
A- WHY didn't GH follow up on that and block the same people twice, thus ensuring they were mafia and preventing needless townie deaths?




Conclusion: GH is intentionally leading town to the grave.

Rebuttal? Explanations? Beefy, care to continue being apologetic for him?

[TinCow]

Don't confuse me with an ally, ATPG. The nature of your death write-up makes me think you were scum of some kind. However, you still should have been protected by GH.

(As noted many times by many people, the above is said exclusively in the context of the game.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

How well I know that people cannot blindly trust me.


However, if I could beg everyone's attention for one small moment:

How many people died in the writeups in a potentially incriminating way? How many claimed to have been framed?

I wasn't keeping track, but it was a lot, if I recall.




I don't ask for blind trust. I simply ask for the arguments to be reasonable, and for people to be open minded enough to consider them. Vigilance is what I'd expect... from a townie of Tincow's stripe.

[Beefy187]

Long shot, but mafia was hoping GH to be lynched a long time ago. Suspect of the mafia is those who pushed for GHs death for long time now. Killing him now will confirm his innocence.

Or GH has a special role to be immune from mafia attacks.

This is not very traditional mafia is it? Anything is possible.

I get what you mean. If we don't lynch GH now, even if we kill GH in the final round, he could win and it is too late.
We lynch him next round. Good job. We still have 2 more roaming around. Blind. Don't know who to lynch.

Better if we have less suspects with more kills. Number of opportunity to lynch we get is the same isn't it?

EDIT: Shower time, battery low and TVs on. My apologies but this will be my final response for this phase. Ill see you when I wake up

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now that your defense of GH has failed, and you've grudgingly agreed he will be lynched today, Beefy:

Why, after that heroic attempt at a defense, shouldn't we lynch you immediately afterward? Desperate mafioso sometimes sacrifice one of their own to keep the other alive.

I suspect that you're GH's partner. I will be thoroughly checking the thread to see if you've ever seriously gone after him. I don't expect you to vote for him, and even if you do, know that it does not exonerate you in my eyes.