about the pike units in M2

[Macilrille]

It would indeed. The Spanish Tercios at Ravenna also showed what effective infantry with short weapons could do to Pike. It was sort of Paper-stone-scissors effect. Heavy inf with short weapons got beaten by cavalry, cavalry got beat by Pike, Pike got beat by Heavy inf with short weapons...

We have the same effect in Re-enactment BTW.

[antisocialmunky]

It would indeed. The Spanish Tercios at Ravenna also showed what effective infantry with short weapons could do to Pike. It was sort of Paper-stone-scissors effect. Heavy inf with short weapons got beaten by cavalry, cavalry got beat by Pike, Pike got beat by Heavy inf with short weapons...

We have the same effect in Re-enactment BTW.

But artillery beat everything in that fight.

[Macilrille]

Yes, so does my Diemaco C7, but realistically armies did not carry trebucthets around assembled and ready to shoot, nor was historical artillery effective enough to be decisive in any battles before The Italian Wars (if I remember correctly), though Charles the Bold did carry around a large artillery train, fat lot of good it did him as the Swiss came from another direction and wiped the floor with his army.

So yes arty is very (and unrealistically so) effective in battles, I have used it myself to wipe half the enemy army out in MTW II before contact. And you sort of have to, for the AI is in fact smart enough to use your own methods against you, even if unrealistic, but I do prefer to have my army sort of historocal and I am consequently longing for someone to do with MTW II what the EB Team did to RTW. I would gladly lend a hand and make the Scandinavian countries more realistic.

[antisocialmunky]

The main issue is of scale since the line depths are really unrealistically thick if you're using a 10 to 1 conversion so a shell can take out an unrealistically large % of your army per shot.