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    Default Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    If I remember correct from my RTR days, the spides were the phalanx shields.

    And I also remember (dont know the exact words though):
    Chalka - Bronze
    Argyra - Silver
    Chyra - Gold

    So that means

    Chalkaspides - Bronze shields (Pontos)
    Argyraspides - Silver Shields (Makedonia and AS)
    Chyraspides - Gold Shields (only seen in RTR Seleucids)

    Can someone confirm this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeinPanzer View Post
    Aspis definitely could be general; pelte originally referred to specifically the crescent shaped shield introduced by the Thracians, and later came to refer to something else, and so in that way it is imprecise; scutum, however, was precise, and, as far as I know, always seems to have referred to the same thing.
    Thanks for clarifying. I am pretty certain that scutum, by the middle ages, had come to mean shields in generals. Off course, whether it did in the Classical age is another question

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus View Post
    If I remember correct from my RTR days, the spides were the phalanx shields.

    And I also remember (dont know the exact words though):
    Chalka - Bronze
    Argyra - Silver
    Chyra - Gold

    So that means

    Chalkaspides - Bronze shields (Pontos)
    Argyraspides - Silver Shields (Makedonia and AS)
    Chyraspides - Gold Shields (only seen in RTR Seleucids)

    Can someone confirm this?
    That would not be "spides", but "aspides", or aspis . The Chrysaspides actually didn't exist as a unit: the term appears to be based on an erroneous translation of Polybius. Macedonia also used the designation chalkaspides, under Alexander and Perseus at least. I guess it simply means normal phalangites (the phalangite shield was made of bronze, after all).
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    Default Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    IIRC the Pontic Chalky-Spiders are pretty much Pez rather than a super elite unit.
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    Lightbulb Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    IIRC the Pontic Chalky-Spiders are pretty much Pez rather than a super elite unit.
    You are correct: their stats differ only slightly from standard pezhetairoi.
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    Default Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    Thank you for the clarification, how could I not see aspis

    Also if the Chyras did not exist, RTR is not so realistic then!
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    Default Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    Scutum is generally translated as Theuros, but it's not that clear. The Latin cognate for Aspis is "Clipius" but it's still not possible to tie either down to a specific type. Generally you might say that the Clipius was round and the Scutum oval.
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    Default Re: Shields - pelte vs thureos

    Well, RTR have their intepretations, EB has its. As long as it's fun.
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