The Settlement [Concluded]

**Csargo** · 03-13-2009, 20:45

I have seen the light. Vote: Ares

A rock told me too.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 20:48

Uh huh. Mmmkay.

Well, two murders would prove my innocence past death, and since my role is now utterly useless, get rid of me if you're so suspicious. My death saves at least one vital role from being lynched.

unvote: Abstain
vote: Pizzaguy

Not everything I do is WIFOM, gentlemen. Sometimes, throw me a bone.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Uh huh. Mmmkay.

Well, two murders would prove my innocence past death, and since my role is now utterly useless, get rid of me if you're so suspicious. My death saves at least one vital role from being lynched.

unvote: Abstain
vote: Pizzaguy

Not everything I do is WIFOM, gentlemen. Sometimes, throw me a bone.

How about you chill out, read the write up again, and vote for ares since it said that he's guilty.

VV There's a role called the watcher, can pick someone to watch and then they see whoever kills that person. It's like a weak version of the detective. That's what this sounds like to me.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 20:55

Hmm.

Didn't even bother reading the whole thing, just checked who was dead.

unvote: myself
vote: Ares

I don't believe everything i read in the writeups, but this is convincing stuff.

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 20:57

???

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 21:07

Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

**White_eyes:D** · 03-13-2009, 21:13

Originally Posted by Priest King Reenk Roink

They even saw who the armored man was. It was the man called Ares!

hmmm......could be false info

....but I am willing to go along with it for one round ....Vote:Ares the peasant killer

**LittleGrizzly** · 03-13-2009, 21:16

Im with TinCow... this seems way too easy... when has the host ever told us who was guilty ?

ATPG comment does make me suspect him slightly more...

He could have a pro town role he didn't want to reveal..

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by TinCow

Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

1) Say it was endgame, would you want ares to be one of the 3-4 living people?
2) Do you have a better day one lynch?

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:28

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

that was sarcasm, but take it as you will

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 21:35

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

1) Say it was endgame, would you want ares to be one of the 3-4 living people?
2) Do you have a better day one lynch?

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 21:11

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

If he had been innocent, he would have immediately tried to convince me he was innocent, and not hesitated.

I don't think it's 100% proof he's guilty either, but questioning him in private, in real time, he basically sputtered in his defense. I think the pressure got to him and he couldn't come up with a lie fast enough.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

If he had been innocent, he would have immediately tried to convince me he was innocent, and not hesitated.

I don't think it's 100% proof he's guilty either, but questioning him in private, in real time, he basically sputtered in his defense. I think the pressure got to him and he couldn't come up with a lie fast enough.

Why don't you post a chat log?

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:16

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**TinCow** · 03-13-2009, 21:24

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

**Thermal** · 03-13-2009, 21:25

it had a quote at the start to but i missed the top

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-13-2009, 21:28

Originally Posted by TinCow

I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

Because it took him like 15 minutes to come up with it, and was more stunned at being exposed than adamant he was innocent, nor did he really try to convince me he was innocent.

I am listening to your playing the devil's advocate, and I am keeping an open mind. I doubt his partner would defend him so openly.

The conversation has been reposted in readable format, I think. Check my post above.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-13-2009, 21:56

We're going to have to be careful with the vote tally given the nature of the game:

Ares: 5 (shlin, sasaki,Ichigo, white_eyes, FactionHeir
FactionHeir: 2 (GH (2))
PizzaGuy: 1(PizzaGuy)

Originally Posted by TinCow

You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not.

Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

"too good to be true" is a fallacy. Mafia have been investigated night one, was that "too good to be true"? Your suggestion that ares being framed would prove he is innocent is also faulty, we don't know enough about the game roles to say that.

Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

Why? I can just as easily say "townies are not framed by the host in the first day write-up".

Essentially you are claiming that a role that can frame people is more likely than a role that can detect a killer. Actually you are claiming that a role that can detect a killer is IMPOSSIBLE which is clearly not true. We almost never find mafia by analysis on day one so Ares is clearly the best choice. Again, read the worst case scenarios.

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