Broken Promises

**Daevyll** · 03-23-2009, 00:38

Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

However, the part of the TW game that always interested me was the campaign map. The traits system amounted to 50-70% of that interest. It does not take much to make me happy, but CA managed to take that part out. I did not like M2TW for the fact that it had less traits than RTW, and ETW decided to stop centimetres away from throwing out the traits in general.

Out of interest, how could you possibly enjoy the utterly illogical, random, downright annoying 'feature' that was traits in RTW? Was I missing something?
I liked the idea too, but the execution.... at least in ETW, the traits/retinue is reasonable and explained how you got them (and how you can get rid of them if possible).

**Aemilius Paulus** · 03-23-2009, 00:54

Originally Posted by Daevyll

Out of interest, how could you possibly enjoy the utterly illogical, random, downright annoying 'feature' that was traits in RTW? Was I missing something?
I liked the idea too, but the execution.... at least in ETW, the traits/retinue is reasonable and explained how you got them (and how you can get rid of them if possible).

No illogical. It added realism, even if the mechanics were not perfect. The traits gave RTW sort of an RPG feel I suppose. I do not play RPGs at all; all I play are RTS/TW-RTT games. But yet, I enjoy the experience of having a character sort of "level up" with numerous traits. It makes the game feel so unique and customised. Every campaign becomes different.

As I have said, I am not a battle person. I like them, but they are secondary. Without them, TW would be nothing, so they are necessary, but not so important to constitute a major part of the game.

But anyway, if you just read EDCT (export_desc_character_traits), you would know how to get traits. I spent days reading that file. And if the vanilla file was huge, then the Europa Barbarorum EDCT was gargantuan and titanic. I do not know why you do not enjoy traits. I know the more casual TW players do not care about them, just as they do not care about micromanagement, but I though the harder-core veterans like you and me always valued the traits system. It was so unique after all... I suppose it depends on what kind of person you are. For me, traits is everything, but not everyone is the same...

**Callahan9119** · 03-23-2009, 01:07

This cavalcade of people clamoring for "Napoleonic Era" gameplay amuse me. Its just a man, a fantastic general and a despotic emperor...You cannot base an expansion on this or the American Civil War, it would be a linear farce.

Disband your troops in france, set the taxes on peasants to high and then recruit a general and pretend or something....and spare us CA bowing to the demands of people who have not thought this through.

I'm gonna go back to my game of Fredrick the Great: Total War

see how that works?

**pevergreen** · 03-23-2009, 02:09

First of all, any discussion about illegally obtaining games is not welcome here. please remove the comments about it.

The trait systems in M2TW and RTW were both flawed and hilarious.

A large portion of the traits simply did not work. Many more were incredibly hard to get, or too easy. (spend 1 turn in a city? Pagan Magician! Slave woman! Lazy General!)

**Aemilius Paulus** · 03-23-2009, 04:31

Originally Posted by pevergreen

First of all, any discussion about illegally obtaining games is not welcome here. please remove the comments about it.

I never said anything about illegal ways. But now that you mentioned it, I suppose I am forced to edit my comment. My post was intentionally ambiguous and it did not say anything that is not specifically forbidden. Not only this, but how do you know my ETW was not a present?

**quadalpha** · 03-23-2009, 02:10

I think the demand is for "Napoleonic units" and events, maybe a scenario or two, a few historical battles, and you have yourself an expansion pack.

Paulus: I always found the traits system a bit too arbitrary and fiddly. I couldn't be bothered to jump through the hoops to get them.

Edit: p: He might have got it as a present, you know.

**Sheogorath** · 03-23-2009, 02:49

The demand for Napoleonic units may stem from the fact that all the European (and a couple of the non-European) factions all share the same unit models. It'd be nice to see some of the variety which came about later on, you know? :\

Fortunately it looks like the European Wars mod will fix that very nicely, and people are already coming out with texture packs.