The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, time to clear things up.

The short version: I suspect White_eyes.

The long version: For several rounds I've been in contact with White_eyes privately. We have both receiving PMs from a person who is undoubtedly a proxy for our Detective, disclosing the latest investigation results to us. I will not reveal the name of the proxy, nor the other innocents, as I believe that's the Detective's call if and when he does decide to reveal. I do not know if the other innocents have been receiving PMs as well, as I've only been talking to White_eyes.

I will say that so far, the entire investigation results have come up as innocents save one: Ituralde. After this fact happened, White_eyes and I had a long conversation about how to put pressure on Ituralde in the day phase and still survive the night (spoilered for your convenience):

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We have a guilty one......should one of us claim detective and get him lynch?

Nice, I'll take point once the day phase begins.

Who.....you or me???? we know one of us might die tonight....and whoever claims during the day(If successful) well get killed during the next night.... Might want to tell *other investigated innocent* about this so he knows as well..(and does the same....)

Reenk's game refined my style a bit. I think I'll be able to get Ituralde lynched and still stay scummy enough where the mafia will leave me alive in hopes of lynching/discrediting me. They've definitely tried it before (Ephesus) where I've managed to survive.

Although if I die tonight, this naturally changes.

I know the info we have been getting is true.....because ATPG noted that Ituralde was there during the end of the day phase....almost like he was checking to make sure his buddy's were not lynched...

Interesting timing you have, Ituralde.

Showing up a mere 20 minutes before the lynch. What a coincidence.

*check post 731*

What I'm a bit worried about is that a pro-town network may be forming. Somehow, some way, it might get infiltrated. Maybe innocent results don't necessarily guarantee innocence. pever said in the first post that this game uses the Godfather mechanic - in GF3, had khaan investigated Beefy, he would have turned up innocent.

All we know for certain is that Ituralde is a grunt. But unless *other investigated innocent* or anybody else that our Detective through *proxy* tells us is "innocent" approaches us I think we should leave this between you and me.

But that could be a problem.....since our "Detective" is sending PM's though *proxy* to all the people who show up innocent so far.....

Well, yeah, unfortunately. But so far *other investigated innocent* hasn't said anything and *proxy* obviously isn't going to send anything to Ituralde. If he sends us more innocents I'm still going to look at them closely in the thread before making a judgment.

Well.....regardless, Ituralde must be lynch tomorrow....

I was also thinking that....if *other investigated innocent* does not vote Ituralde....he is more less then likely the Godfather....

Well, it depends on what time he gets on. If he logs on and there's a big bandwagon against Ituralde then he really has no choice. But if he's on at the start of the phase and doesn't, then we might have our man.

Of course, it's also possible that *proxy* hasn't included him, but I doubt that.

but then again.....we might be already dead if the detective give the info to him and named us, as innocent.....if that's the case....90% chance one of us well die tonight....but if not...*other investigated innocent* is likely innocent instead....

Okay, so basically White_eyes was big on reminding me that whoever took the lead in the Ituralde lynching effort was probably going to die in the next night phase. I told him my plan would be to toe the line essentially - still get Ituralde lynched while appearing scummy enough so that the mafia wouldn't touch me.

However, the plan failed. Yes, Ituralde got lynched, but I came under zero suspicion, both during and after that phase. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've received a single vote in this game so far. Frankly, there's no reason for the mafia to leave me alive two day phases later. In Ephesus, the only reason why I survived so long as I did was because I was almost constantly lynchbait.

Basically, I think White_eyes might be a Godfather leaving me alive because he thinks I believe in his innocence. Beefy tried this strategy in GF3 and it worked up until the final round.

About a round or so later, he PM'd me again, suggesting a lynch target to look into more detail:

I feel that Sasaki is a Godfather.....Proof other then "Sasaki is always guilty?" He has been focusing on the Irish killers.....but hardly touched the English ones....I also think he has Reenk as a grunt.....tough guys to get lynched without a detective reveal

I thought I responded, saying I'd look into it, but a proper look at my PMs say I didn't. Must've been ATPG instead.

Anyway, after going through Sasaki's posts, I see nothing of the sort. I would quote posts here, but there's nothing to quote. Sasaki went hard after taka in Round 2 because he wanted to lynch one of the major lurkers, FC because he mainly thought he was scum/a bad townie, gone after ATPG because... well... it's habit, and has had the feud with Grizz for a while now. However, there's been nothing about him specifically going for the Irish mafia, aside from when he was trying to argue with Grizz. As a matter of fact, Sasaki has pretty much played this like a vanilla Godfather game, not really distinguishing between the two factions.

Another thing - it's been a couple of days now since I received that PM from White_eyes. I planned to read up on Friday, but ran out of time, and I was totally dead yesterday and didn't get anything done. However, if White_eyes truly believed Sasaki was guilty, why didn't he say anything in the thread?

I believe a truly townie White_eyes would only care about lynching the bad guys. To me, it sounds like a manufactured case to get a threat out of the way, and also one designed for me to take the heat for it.

Vote: White_eyes:D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki:

You make some good points. Who would you vote for aside from LG and why? You've been stuck on that a while and it limits my "read" on you.

White_eyes. Ares and boudica were tied, and white_eyes plays around like he's going to abstain and "lets" LG talk him into voting. He votes for Ares. Now, this is partly guilt by association, since LG and boudica are two of the people I find scummiest. But I remember we jumped on WE's for a tie breaking vote in GF3 so as mafia he'd be careful like this for sure. The whole "I'll abstain but vote if you insist" is passing of responsibility which mafia love to do.

Then yesterday:

Its Yoyoma.....he knows Shakespeare, like the back of his hand.... and a whole bunch of other authors....I will bring up evidence and quotes to back this up...

Having read all his posts, this is the first time he's really made an accusation that I can remember. Coming from someone who successfully changed his style in GF3, this is a very odd choice, even more so for someone who has been subdued the whole game. Guilt by association again, but I wonder if he was concerned about someone who had been under pressure the day before getting lynched, and when he saw pizza go after the writeup he jumped on the chance.

LG is still a better suspect...I've made my case on him. But I love links between people. LG and boudica had a weird thing going together a few days back as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll vote for White_eyes if boudica gets back here and answers my questions!

Actually, GH's suspicions and plans have been good for town so far, and I offer him my support. I trust his judgment more than my own at this point.

unvote: Boudica
vote: White_eyes

I still want 4 answers by the end of the round, B.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote,Vote:white_eyes

He has been focusing on the Irish killers

Classic

Townies don't know who the Irish killers are. WE reveals that he knows too much.

He also seems very worried about being the one to post as a proxy detective...

[Reenk Roink]

I know who White eyes is. He is playing you, but he doesn't deserve to be killed.

For all the scrutiny on his behavior, the fact is, it is White eyes ish to do these things. He only would change it as a Mafia...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wow, just wow.

Word of caution folks, this is all going to get hairy from here. There are only 13 alive, with 4 of them being mafiosi. We have lost our SK (no prob) and a protector (adios Reenk and thanks for the save -- though I have no plans to kiss you).

Sasaki, good answer. GH, this has the ring of truth (if I read you right, you are accusing him of GF status, yes?). I think we need, at the least, to give W_E the incentive to clear his name.

Vote: White_Eyes

[GeneralHankerchief]

Correct, he's either a Godfather or a townie. My vote is Godfather.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica left after reading my questions and did not answer them. I would like pressure votes on her next round if white_eyes turns up innocent.

edit: Interesting timing, boudica. Last Activity: Today 12:56

(12:56 my time... 4 minutes after I posted)

[boudica]

To be fair, I want to state my case for you again briefly, boudica. If you can respond to these questions, I will drop my vote on you.

1. Why have you been less active this game? You've done that before as mafia.

2. Why did you assume Diana Abnoba could write the Oswald kill? You guys don't know her personally, but there is still nothing from her writing which indicates she has the ability or the drive to write such a beautifully crafted murder. I also happen to know it takes her 15 minutes to type a short post, and she will admit it. Someone would have had to write the kills for her.

3. You're a magnificent role player and writer, from what I've seen, and you seem well-versed in English culture. Do you deny that?

4. Could you have written the Oswald kill? Be honest.

I hadn't read your questions before leaving. I hope I have time to answer them now before leaving again.

1) Read my sign-up post. I was reticent to play more than 2 games (all I have decided I can cope with at once with any degree of commitment) But didn't want the game to fail through lack of participants.

2) I was attempting to draw some more comment from Diana. You're right I do not know her and her answer satisfied me - I was surprised when people had followed my lead and voted her when I checked back in. With no clear strategy in what has turned in to a bigger thread than Settlement, I have been voting mainly just to get 'a rise' from people.

3)Thankyou!

4) Not in the time allowed and not without significant research. My knowledge of literature is very small, but I enjoy writing creatively and hope to improve.

I have just caught up on GH's posts but will need to hear more and read back myself before I establish that GH himself is not having us on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thank you, boudica.

I still think you could have written it, and that is why I have you under suspicion. However, it is the collective judgment of all which matters, and I have no further case to make against you. If you turn out to be mafia, I can say I tried and no one listened. As such, I'd encourage discussion of further suspects.

It's interesting to note that once I ramped up more pressure on you, B, you returned. Getting nervous, are we?


edit: oops that's a question. You don't have to answer it.

[Diana Abnoba]

Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes

[El Diablo]

Just back from the weekend, and that looks like a good bit of information..

Vote White Eyes

[pevergreen]

As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

[Andres]

What does "vicissitudes" mean?

You tell me, it's your language...

No guys, don't lynch White_Eyes:D! Lynch a real suspect!

Bwahahahahaha

[LittleGrizzly]

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

[Andres]

LG is still a better suspect...

If your an innocent your incorrect reading of me could be the end for the town...

The white eyes lynch seems good but im not 100% sure on it... i guess since this is the seventh vote on him so it seals the deal...

I really hope you turn up guilty...

I still think we should lynch boudica... Infact i pretty much agree with sasaki just replace sasaki for LG as the other suspect...

Vote White Eyes :D

Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

[LittleGrizzly]

Oh, come on, you English scumbag. Your grunt shouldn't have killed me last night. Just die now as the godfather scum you are.

umm... so your accussing me of being english and sasaki is accusing me of being irish...

I am the crazy half breed serial killer... he hates ira, english and irish civilians...

*crazy killing rampage*

[Andres]

Just die, LittleGrizzly.

[Andres]

The way I see it there are two new leads that we should take up today.

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided
2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

And according to the bit at the bottom, the detective got a result on boudica that means she is either the godfather or a townie.

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that's how I like to think of innocent results...

1) Andres, and who he voted/defended/avoided

I see very little here. Not too surprising. Mostly he lurked and sparred with pizza.

2) People who thought reenk was suspicious. You have to be really convinced to kill someone who draws as many votes as reenk. It's possible that they didn't say anything about their feelings in thread though.

Pizza, white_eyes and boudica seemed willing to find the writeups to be good evidence. Pizza was sure it was reenk, WE sure it was yoyoma, and boudica thought it was...Diana Abnoba?

I found this post to be unusual. It is possible she thought reenk did the writeup but didn't want to say so because she didn't think he'd get lynched and wanted to kill him without it reflecting back on her.

However, this was the vote count 10 minutes before lynching time:



I feel that we'd be better served to wait on boudica (though her behavior is still odd in the way I described during the round the vote count is from). I don't see the godfather going to tie 10 minutes before deadline without voting to save herself...of course pizza stepped in to save her. But I haven't found pizza to be scummy. His behavior is spot on the last two games. The kill on reenk could be the irish mafia attempting to frame him. But anyway, my point with posting the vote count is that it if boudica is guilty it will probably be very easy to tell once know more about the alignment of the people listed. Thus it is prudent to wait.

Vote:LittleGrizzly

Although it's apparent that I'm the only one on this, so I'll be making an argument for someone else later on, probably white_eyes, who should have known better than to be "sure" it was yoyoma who did the writeup. He's also lurking for him.

First post at 4.28 pm, second on 5.01 pm (GMT +1). In about half an hour, you came to those conclusions... That doesn't sound like you put much effort in it.

I know L_G is English mafia, but I don't think he's the godfather; the more I think about it, Sasaki is the English godfather, trying to get his grunt lynched, to let town believe he is innocent beyond doubt.

EDIT: I'll help town to get rid of the English. After they are disposed off, I will refrain from further commenting on this thread. I've been suspicious about the constant Sasaki-LittleGrizzly duel all game. I know I'm revealed as scum, but don't forget I have one thing in common with town: to root out the English mafia.

[seireikhaan]

Very interesting posts today especially the PM disclosure, it convinced me. I don't know WE very well, but he seems quick to jump on Yoyoma.

Vote: White_eyes

And you are quick to jump on White Eyes.

Vote: Boudica

Something a tad disconcerting about this white eys deal...

[Lord Winter]

As a note, I am very very reluctant to suicide anyone, especially at this point of the game. I knew pyschonaut stopped paying attention (he never did in the first place) but LW and boudica, I won't suicide you.

I'll try to set aside some time to get caught up.

[White_eyes:D]

If I am going down GH, I am taking you with me.........everyone must lynch GH after this....I never did any write-ups for this and I will post the "innocent results"

Night the First, GH innocent
Night the Second, WE innocent
More will follow

That was the first PM we got...

Night the Third, El D innocent

This was after I talked to GH...

Night the Fourth, Ituralde guilty, scum, faction not known

Night the Fifth, Grizzly innocent

Night the Sixth, Boudica innocent

and we got these thourgh someone..... but I am dead anyway GH's paranoia strikes again.....(or he is a Godfather and it was well-played...Whatever)

[GeneralHankerchief]

WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

[White_eyes:D]

WE, please at least edit out the names of the other innocents. It's not your call whether or not to reveal them.

-edit- I wasn't accusing you of doing the write-ups - I was accusing you of odd behavior and of being the Godfather.

No man.....this sinking ship is going down and your ALL coming with me for votiing for an innocent man......

[Andres]

Nice, five possible Godfahters and Grizzly is among them. He's the Godfather then and Sasaki probably isn't his grunt after all, since it was Sasaki who started to call for his lynching and a grunt wouldn't go after his own GF so viciously.

That, or Seamus is giving you guys false information.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

[Andres]

If you're truly innocent, then give a proper defense of yourself. Let the rest of the townies make a judgment call and then, if we see that I'm wrong, we'll have more data to base some endgame conclusions off of. Right now, you look like you're doing yourself to spite the rest of us.

Why are you sure W_E is the Godfather? He isn't my Godfather and I know L_G is English mafia. Since L_G came up as innocent, he has to be the English Godfather and W_E just an innocent townie you're about to lynch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of.

[Andres]

Either White_eyes is a Godfather or he's a townie. And frankly, your word on who is or isn't Irish mafia isn't really the best to go off of.

Fair enough.

But I'm as interested in getting the mafiosi who killed me as you are. Make fun of me as much as you want, but Little_Grizzly is the English Godfather. Either that or I'm being confused on purpose by our host.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How exactly are you certain that LG is the English Godfather? I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to him.