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    Hey, as long as I get to keep the army I'm leading now, I'm happy.
    To settle the deal between Romans and Greeks once and for all... both Italy and Greece are in deep s*** at the moment. Do you really think who had the biggest spear in antiquity makes any difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    Would it be seen as poor style of me to name Diognetos Syriakos (Sarpedon's one and only son, whom I've reserved) and play it like Diognetos allows Phanias to continue command his Royal Army (so that nothing else has to be changed, and the Royal Army of the prince is still used)?

    I won't do this if you guys object to it, because I don't want anyone to think that I'm "hogging all the fun" or something like that. It could be seen as a good excuse for Kleonemos (or Phanias, or anyone else) to stab me in the back though...

    Edit: By the way, Ibn, I said I wanted Diognetos to be moved to Sardis before, but please hold that thought. If I may, I will move myself please - I might send him elsewhere, if I get the thumbs up.
    You can not name an avatar that has no player as the Heir. You have to either kill Sarpedon and hope that Phanias will name Diognetos Heir or you can wait until Sarpedon is old enough to die and name Diognetos as your Heir yourself.

    Edit: Also, it's time for another Souncil Session! I give TCV the chance to open it. This means that no one can take the save until the Council session is over.
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    Crud. I guess I'l just have to wait then. No biggie. Thanks, I-K.

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    About the changes I talked about..
    These are OOC only and you should discuss them here. I need to adjust them though before I propose and I will do that tomorrow probably.
    Also, I propose them as Magistrate(Game Master) and not Kleonemos.

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    I'm back now... after a sustained absence.. long story short i'm trying to get a promotion before i resign from the forces... anyway i've got the RTW itch again... and i'm going to be around again.
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    Good to hear CP!

    Here are the Rule changes:

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    *5.1 Declaration of War

    Civil War can be started by Satraps/Strategos Hetairos/Strategos Chreophylax/Commander of Army only. A Satrap/Strategos Hetairos/Strategos Chreophylax/Commander of Army must make a Declaration of War towards a specific Satrap or Basileus in a public thread before they can attack any of that Satrap's(Basileus') armies or settlements. A Declaration of War applies to all Generals who are named as Aids of both the Satrap who makes the Declaration and the Satrap who is the target of the Declaration.
    A Declaration of War does not apply to any Generals who are not in any way connected to the declarer or the target.
    Neither the Satrap who made the Declaration of War, nor anyone who act as an Aid of that Satrap, can attack the target of that Declaration, or anyone who act as an Aid of that Satrap, until the target(s) have been provided with one full turn's worth of movement.
    This rule does not limit movement in any way, nor does it prevent the target(s) of the Declaration of War from attacking the declarer(s).



    5.3 PvP Battles

    Whenever two hostile armies enter same province, a PvP Battle will occur, even if the armies have movement points remaining.
    All other players in that region have the chance to pick a side or declare neutrality in that battle even if they have declared themselves neutral at the start of the Civil War.
    If both players agree, the battle will be fought via multiplayer, with Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose acting as umpire.
    The umpire will determine the map and the precise composition of the armies.
    If the battle is not fought via multiplayer, there will be a 24 hour voting period to determine how the battle will be fought.
    The voting options will be (a) Tabletop Battle (b) Abbreviated Tabletop Battle and (c) AI Battle.
    All players may vote, even those not involved in the battle, all votes will be unweighted, and the option that receives the most votes will be chosen.
    Tabletop Battles will be in the style of the Battle of Bern and the Battle of Trent and will be umpired by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
    Abbreviated Tabletop Battles will be identical to a Tabletop Battle, but will be 1 turn in length.
    Players will determine their starting positions and outline a general strategy for the battle.
    The umpire will then play out the battle and determine the victor.
    The umpire may allow a maximum of 1 or 2 additional turns beyond the starting turn if they so choose.
    The Abbreviated Tabletop Battle will be run by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
    AI Battles will be custom battles in the TW engine in which the AI will control all units on both sides.
    AI battles will be umpired by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
    The umpire will determine all settings to be used in the battle, including the map and the precise composition of the armies.
    Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire must attempts to have the battle replicate the in-game state of affairs to the best of his ability.
    Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire will determine the results, including, but not limited to, units to be disbanded as casualties, avatars to be killed off as casualties, and changes in the control of provinces.
    Console commands may be used to implement the results.

    New Ranks

    Rebel:
    Requirements:
    (1) Must have at least one province or capture one within 2 turns from the Declaration of War.
    (2) Must have declared himself Rebel in a public thread.
    Influence: None
    Powers:
    (1) If the Rebel rank is obtained by declaration then the Rebel must designate one of his provinces as his Capital.
    This territory will be known as the Rebel's 'Realm.'
    (2) Is not bound by any Council Edicts.
    (3) Can pass an unlimited number of provinces on to the player's next avatar through a valid will. The player's next avatar will instantly gain the rank of Rebel.
    (4) Can set the recruitment/build queue once penlaty that prevented him doing so have lost it's effect.
    (5) Rebel will receive a fixed sum of money every turn from every settlement he have(Village - 500mnai, Small Town - 1000mnai etc)
    (6) Must create a thread where he keeps track of his income and expences(Recruitment, construction, unit upkeep).
    The ammount of starting money the Rebel will receive will be determined by Ibn-Khaldun.
    Penalties:
    (1) When this rank is obtained, the Rebel is considered to have made an automatic declaration of war against all Strategoi who are still part of the Empire.
    Rebels cannot make Peace Treaties.
    (2) When declaring himself Rebel there will be 4-8 turn period when Rebel can not recruit/build anything.
    The time will depend on Declarers in-game Influence.
    (3) Taxes are set to Very High in all settlements within the Realm.
    (4) Cannot propose or vote on Edicts or Amendments in any Council session.
    Cannot run for or vote in the election for Chancellor.
    (5) If the Capital is captured by a hostile Strategos, the rank of Rebel is lost.
    In order to continue the Rebellion, the Strategos must proclaim himself a Rebel again, assuming he still meets the requirements for it.

    Independent Ruler:
    Requirements:
    (1) Must have been a Rebel for 12 turns
    Influence: None
    Powers:
    (1) If the Rebel rank is obtained by declaration then the Rebel must designate one of his provinces as his Capital.
    This territory will be known as the Rebel's 'Realm.'
    (2) May create his own title instead of "Independent Ruler" and may determine the correlating titles of all his Strategoi.
    (3) Is not bound by any Council Edicts.
    (4) Can pass an unlimited number of provinces on to the player's next avatar through a valid will. The player's next avatar will instantly gain the rank of Rebel.
    (5) Can recruit and build in his settlements as long as he have the money for it.
    (6) Independent Ruler will receive a fixed sum of money every turn from every settlement he have(Village - 500mnai, Small Town - 1000mnai etc)
    (7) Must create a thread where he keeps track of his income and expences(Recruitment, construction, unit upkeep).
    (8) Unless they have the permission of the Independent Ruler, any neutral Strategos entering a province of the Realm owned by the Independent Ruler is considered to have automatically declared war on the Independent Ruler.
    (9) Taxes are set to Very High in all adjacent non-Realm settlements.
    (10) Can move the Capital to any other province within the Realm.
    Penalties:
    (1) Cannot propose or vote on Edicts or Amendments in any Council session.
    Cannot run for or vote in the election for Chancellor.
    (2) If the Capital is captured by a hostile Strategos, the rank of Independent Ruler is lost.
    In order to continue the Rebellion, the Strategos must proclaim himself a Rebel again, assuming he still meets the requirements for it.


    I need your opinions on these to improve them before I post them in Council Thread.

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    it's all very nice, gives more incentive to rebel and such
    but the problem is that I don't think there's any IC reason now for any person to declare war on any other strategos....since we're all nice to each other in game. maybe an event may be made that triggers some dispute. but I've no idea for such an event now.

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    well sarpedons starting to act a bit off. could this be some attempt at forcing a rebellion you can crush TCV?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan View Post
    well sarpedons starting to act a bit off. could this be some attempt at forcing a rebellion you can crush TCV?
    Guilty as charged. I actually began doing this before when I proposed the auto-edict, and I had planned to slip the auto-amendment in earlier, but regrettably I forgot to. If I can fan the flames, I take it as my personal responsibility to do so.

    Edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan
    (you said curia by the way, I dont think we are in rome at the moment)
    GAH! You're right. I didn't even catch it when I read through it myself.

    It's fixed now. Thanks.
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    Meh it happens. you see now you are starting to act like a monarch of antiquity, I am sure we will have plenty of rebellions soon after this
    and dosnt anybody else want to be chancellor? I was hoping for a real election.....


    And Ibn when you say that Settlements under a rebels control have a fixed income does that mean that if a ruler built a port or other trade building that the income of his settlement wont go up?
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    CDF, it would just become too hard and difficult to keep track of all buildings that are built and all of their bonuses. I just want to keep this as simple as I can. At the moment you have to keep an eye on 3 things - recruitment, construction and unit upkeep.
    Also, I have to mention, that I will allow people to seize towns without the fight. Basically this means that if you declare yourself a Rebel in a town you will get it and all of it's garrison with you.
    These changes in Rule 5.3 also mean that hostile army can besiege a town if it enters the enemy province.

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    I kind of want to be Chancellor again, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea. My temporary computer is good enough to move characters, armies, fight battles etc., but to do this on such a regular basis might be pushing it. It takes a blasted long time just to load it up as well - it is, after all, just a laptop.

    However, I may have my better computer fixed soon, and if I do before the session is over, I will challenge you.

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    I'll gladly take your place! :P


    i cant get 1.2 to work, so 1.1 and WOTB is what i'm stuck with.. shame, i was really looking forward to new client rulers and allied generals.
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    I wonder if when WotB finishes (if it ever finishes) what faction will be next... I think Averni might be interesting... or KH or Carthage.
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    Carthage indeed, what i most look forward to. Battling it out with the Romans should be a good one.
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    I actually wouldnt mind going Sweboz.
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    mmm it would be interesting. RPing migrations and what not. The thread names, ranks all that would have to have some very well thought up names and stuff. Instead of houses and stuff you could have tribes and clans thatd be interesting...prolly end in to much civil war though.
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    Don't they all?
    Plus I would like the migration and tribe stuff, it would be fun
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    haha i suppose that is true sometimes.
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    Hey hey hey...
    I hope that WotB will see some PvP battles before it ends!!

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    oh... we will.... we will..... >:)
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    indeed, im waiting for more satrapys in particular. DIPS ON BYZANTION I HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER NOW!
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    navarro

    now we have reformed the rank system in the roman PBM, we should steal some of these civil warm mechanisms

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    yeah I am sure we will see a huge civil war, eventualy....
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    o ya Ibns proposals will greatly influence my game indeed. Im putting things together but it wont be for this council im already rewriting to much. Im taking one thing at a time. Plus some things would have to be tweaked to Roman standards.
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    Byzantion won't become a satrapy for a good while (if at all), Navarro, but if you want you can always ask to become a Chreopylax. I'm sure I wouldn't decline.

    However, if you are smart and want to become a satrap and it doesn't have to be in that area, you could head out east instead. With your management skills and Phanias age, you would be a hot candidate for his successor.

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    how are you going to do pvp battles online with roman soldiers?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk View Post
    how are you going to do pvp battles online with roman soldiers?!
    i fear the day as BtSH gamemaster i have to do this. Although i hear the units are available on multiplayer, correct me if im wrong? if not all our battles may be tabletop er sumthin idk.
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    I think CP meant PvP battles between two players with roman troops. This needs some modding because you have to give roman units to another faction in multiplayer. In WotB I'm trying to delay this thing as long as I can unless some of the players could do it.

    Edit: mini.. eem.. btw I stole these civil war ideas from LotR. Gah, We're such a bunch of thieves!
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    Ibn, now i reformed the office system in btsh, you should come back, we need more peepz ;p

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