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    The tragedy of human savagery.




    Let us hope humanity is done walking down these horrible paths of hate and destruction. I know it may seem a bit out of place but if your going to take some time out of your daily life to remember the holocaust, also take that time to remember the numerous other genocides of the previous century. Let us never repeat it.


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    Αξιζει φιλε να πεθανεις για ενα ονειρο, κι ας ειναι η φωτια του να σε καψει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    The tragedy of human savagery.




    Let us hope humanity is done walking down these horrible paths of hate and destruction. I know it may seem a bit out of place but if your going to take some time out of your daily life to remember the holocaust, also take that time to remember the numerous other genocides of the previous century. Let us never repeat it.
    If I may, I think that the Holocaust should serve as a lesson to us. It is great to hope that something like it will not happen again, but before Hitler seized power, I am sure few thought it could happen at all. People are stupid (all of us) and pretty easily manipulated when they are desperate or when they are too comfortable, and there will always be hateful people and opportunists out there. I think the suffering of Holocaust victims should serve as a warning to us to better guard our future, and be smarter than we have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peverblue View Post
    If I may, I think that the Holocaust should serve as a lesson to us. It is great to hope that something like it will not happen again, but before Hitler seized power, I am sure few thought it could happen at all. People are stupid (all of us) and pretty easily manipulated when they are desperate or when they are too comfortable, and there will always be hateful people and opportunists out there. I think the suffering of Holocaust victims should serve as a warning to us to better guard our future, and be smarter than we have been.

    Exactly. Hopefully we as human beings can process that the previous century can't happen again. So much suffering..


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    The real tragedy of the Holocaust isn't just that it happened, but how it happened and why it happened. We all like to villify the Nazis and think "Thank God, those nasty creatures are gone. We'll never let them come to power again". Ditto for Stalinists or the Khmer Rouge or whatever boogeyman upon which we wish to project our darker selves. But whenever I delve into the various genocides of the past century, I'm struck not by the magnamity of the crimes, but by the intimacy of them.

    Citing the Shoah as a specific example because I am much more familiar with it, not because it is somehow more atrocious or 'worse' than the others:

    The Nazis didn't just erupt from the bowels of hell like Saruman's Uruk Hai. Despite how desparately we need for this to be true so that we can live with ourselves, it never will be. Never. It was a crime we perpetrated upon ourselves.

    It was the newspaper boy, all grown up with his pretty brown shirt, that dragged off the 8-year old girl and her parents off to the train station to be loaded into the cattle car. He knew them because he delivered their paper, and at Christmas, they gave him a tip, even though they were Jewish.

    It was the piano teacher, hired into her new role as KZ matron, who tore her former pupil from his beseeching mother's arms and hauled him off to meet his fate in a chlorine shower.

    It was the handyman, who once sought odd jobs from the middle class eldrly couple down the street, that broke their skulls open with his baton, gleefully watching their life end before his very eyes, their faces upturned in uncomprehending fear, pain and betrayal....

    And it was the collective "not my problem, I'm not a Jew" or "not a Pole" or "not a gypsy" that allowed the rest of us to turn a blind eye when anyone with half a brain knew exactly what was going on after November 9th, 1938.

    It is our lack of ability to empathize with the rest of mankind that is the real tragedy that virtually guarantees in one form or another, they'll be repeated.
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    True story: When I was working in Chicago, I would drive past a large synagogue every day. For one week they had a big sign up that read: "Never again is now." Unfortunately for the congregation, there are two ways to read that sentence ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    True story: When I was working in Chicago, I would drive past a large synagogue every day. For one week they had a big sign up that read: "Never again is now." Unfortunately for the congregation, there are two ways to read that sentence ....
    i dont get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    i dont get it.
    It all depends on what we collectively do.

    "Never again is right now" can mean that it stops, from this moment, forever more.

    or, it can mean that it will happen again, right now.
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