Large Simpsons Mafia Game- The Treehouse of Horror [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

My my my....

No one told me that every one of my subordinates wanted me dead.

Welcome back to mafia, my friend. You're never fully aware of the situation.

Bwahahahahaa..... You had the leadership of the mafia, and indirect control over 10 votes. But as you saw, that didn't make you all-powerful, and the mafia turned on one another and didn't save boudica, and they took the initiative in destroying successive Black Hands. Given you could direct votes away from you, I thought you had a pretty safe role, and it would make you think so too... but eventually they would deduce who you were and kill you. Or so I thought.

One more stray bullet... and you would have went bye-bye... I'm surprised Sideshow Bob never asked me why the kill on Glenn failed.


edit; I forget. What was the Auto clue again? All I think it pointed to was Otto Mann's writeup.

[Beefy187]

Thank you ATPG for , and big congratulations to Beaver for pulling off the nigh impossible SK victory

Big thank you to El Diablo for staying beside me for the majority of the game and big apology to pever to failing to protect you

Just... How do you get to energy to post a massive write up like that Pizza? Good work!!

I must make note of Beaver for the next time around

[PershsNhpios]

Don Vittorio DiMaggio- Glenn
(fake role: Hans Moleman)

DO NOT DELETE THIS ROLE PM, and read it very, very carefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moleman

You are the Capo de Tutti Capi of all the mafia families in Springfield State. Everyone answers to you, and most of them don't even know that you're the boss. You have nothing but sinister things on your mind; you want to control all of politics, all of business, everything down to a child's lemonade stand. You're the Mastermind behind everything that goes on in Springfield and beyond.

You're "Just an Old Italian Stereotype" but you're much more than that. You have a mission: Survive the game, whatever the cost. Even if it means... destroying your subordinates... BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! You can murder once during the game, yourself. You've got a gun, and a silver bullet. Anyone you choose to die, will die, end of story, no matter what their "abilities" are. You may want to save this bullet for a... special occasion. Such as a game-winning occasion. DO NOT waste your one bullet.

You also can survive one lynch and one murder attempt on your life. That makes you fairly brutal, but still mortal. SURVIVE. Do what you have to do. You can communicate with your right-hand man, your Consigliere, through me, the Host. Do not reveal to him, because he can kill you and may wish to do so at some point to win the game for himself. Remain anonymous and alive. You're the boss, he answers to you, unless he decides to ignore you... in which case, you've got a gun and you know exactly who he is...

Your alias is "Hans Moleman", this is who you must roleplay as during the day. You're Hans Moleman, according to everyone. No one can detect your true role, not even the detective. You can claim to have unlimited lives, as was true of the Simpsons Mini Mafia game I hosted. It makes perfect sense and it should get people off of your back to survive the game.

I designed this whole game to be based on you winning. Do not fail me, Don Glenn, for you may be the master of the Mafia in Springfield State, but I am the leader of the Sicilian Mafia, and you're nothing compared to me. Fortunately, business in Sicily is booming, as well as New York, so I leave the business of Springfield in your capable hands. I'm officially neutral, the host, and I cannot be killed, period, so don't bother. That's in the rules, so don't waste your time.

You can never reveal this role PM to anyone, or you will be WOG'ed instantly. Don't find a way around this rule either, in any way shape or form. That is a game-breaking maneuver and I don't tolerate that stuff in my games, that results in a lifetime ban from my games. (Same for everyone, so don't worry I am not picking on you. It's not personal, it's just business....)

Enjoy this game, Don Vittorio "Glenn" DiMaggio, and if you do end up killing everyone in Springfield and taking all their valuables, be sure to send me a portion of the winnings. This isn't a charity, it's a business. I expect to be paid for allowing you to run the Springfield operation. Make me proud, Don Glenn, or you sleep with the fishes. Capisce?

Ciao.


Victory condition: Be the last one left standing. You are loyal to no one... and your position of power might just enable you to order the destruction of your rivals and subordinates and the town of Springfield itself, too. You're like a serial killer and a Godfather of Godfathers rolled into one, but you may only murder once. Use me, the host, to communicate with The Black Hand, your Consigliere, and pass orders and requests down to your underlings.

Be ruthless, and plan your strategy carefully...

This role PM was deliberately engineered to make me a narcissistic psycho with the belief that the entire game was centered around me and that victory was ensured from the very beginning.

Of course, I was more timid than that... I cared too much for my darling hitmen.

I really did hope that we could all just get along.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just... How do you get to energy to post a massive write up like that Pizza? Good work!!

Lots and lots of Pepsi and a near-obsession with both mafia games and the Simpsons.

Thanks again Quintus.JC for inspiring me to create the first Mini Simpsons Mafia and started me down this path of hosting games. Without that idea, none of my games ever would have happened.



PS: the only Role PM I am missing is Sideshow Bob's role PM. I'll be posting all the others soon.

[Beefy187]

Lots and lots of Pepsi and a near-obsession with both mafia games and the Simpsons.

Thanks again Quintus.JC for inspiring me to create the first Mini Simpsons Mafia and started me down this path of hosting games. Without that idea, none of my games ever would have happened.

Well hope your still with us on the 20th anniversary

I've consider leaving the Org temporary... But then I would have no internet website to kill time in. So I won't be leaving for a while.

I'll go update the synopsis

[Khazaar]

Should´nt Moleman have survived the last lynch since he had one lynchimmunity? And I must say that I´d like to see that inactive people get replaced or wogged. I´m a bit dissapointed that the win goes to someone who never really touched the thread, but I guess that shows you that you should always kill/lynch inactives first...

Anyway, gg all. I would have never offed Blackadder had I known what kind of responsibility and organizational talent you need.

I see myself as a partial winner since I helped my henchman to victory and managed to climb the ladder for a while :-P .

[Askthepizzaguy]

Should´nt Moleman have survived the last lynch since he had one lynchimmunity?

Glenn gained the ability to murder once per night, and lost his immunities, when he was the last mafioso standing.

And I must say that I´d like to see that inactive people get replaced or wogged. I´m a bit dissapointed that the win goes to someone who never really touched the thread, but I guess that shows you that you should always kill/lynch inactives first...

Welcome to my frustration with the Chicago Soiree victory going to two lurkers who did nothing.

Anyway, gg all. I would have never offed Blackadder had I known what kind of responsibility and organizational talent you need. I see myself as a partial winner since I helped my henchman to victory and managed to climb the ladder for a while :-P .

You're all winners in my book. Your dedication to the game helped made it a success.

[Death is yonder]

A great game fellahs, lets give ATPG a resounding round of applause ... as well as for the great writeups

Nice play all the anti town, I suppose I should have concentrated on lynching Bob first , good game .

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lurker Victory FTW

This was a very enjoyable first game of mafia and certainly was a enjoyable experience. Hope to play more games with you folks once my exams are over .

Ciao,
Death is Yonder (How ironically apt )

[Captain Blackadder]

Good game everyone a nailbiter right up untill the end Glenn you did a masterfull job. I didn't know that the mafia had to try and kill me. I also didn't know that I had to try and kill Glenn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good game everyone a nailbiter right up untill the end Glenn you did a masterfull job. I didn't know that the mafia had to try and kill me. I also didn't know that I had to try and kill Glenn.

You would have known, if Glenn had ended up targeting you for the murder at the end. It would have been deflected due to your ability to survive it, and you would know it came from someone besides the underlings below you due to process of elimination:

Not Sideshow Bob kill
Not Mafia below you kill

Therefore, it would have been your boss. And you would be able to kill all you liked at that point. You were going to be given a nightly kill once one family died, or if you were shot at, I think. I have to check my role PM for you.

[Khazaar]

For what it´s worth, I only killed you because I was paranoid after you didn´t reply to one of my requests. I thought you had to kill us as well, so I took my chances and had you killed. I never would have done it if I had known what a sucky position you were holding. Oh well...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kind of like a game of Rock, Scissors, Paper... or something.

Glenn could target his subordinate and kill him. But then he would be out of bullets.

The Black Hand could take a bullet from a mafioso below him, and he could figure out who did it and then dispose of them by ordering their deaths from one of the other families. But I admit, he was pretty doomed, especially when a stray bullet hit him early on.

The Godfathers wanted to become the Capo, but had no idea the Black Hand wasn't the Capo. They had no defenses whatsoever and were sitting ducks from rival families hitting them or their superiors hitting them. But they still had to try to kill their superiors eventually... gaining their trust first, then betraying them silently one night after deducing who they were.

The Henchmen wanted desperately to kill someone and advance their Godfather up the ranks, so they were even more disloyal to the Black Hand than anyone else. And they had no idea who Glenn was, and they might have accidentally hit him because some (YLC for example, Ichigo/Boudica also) disobeyed the Black Hand and went all trigger-happy.

And Sideshow Bob... well... added to the carnage and was the nemesis of the Capo, and somewhat immune to murder but capable of being detected and lynched rather easily, if not for sheer dumb luck.

Then town wanted them all destroyed and had an investigator, and some 29 votes I believe. Pretty fairly balanced, but no faction was indestructible and each faction was in severe danger from the others and full of paranoia.

[Captain Blackadder]

For what it´s worth, I only killed you because I was paranoid after you didn´t reply to one of my requests. I thought you had to kill us as well, so I took my chances and had you killed. I never would have done it if I had known what a sucky position you were holding. Oh well...

Which one was that? I thought I had responded to all of your questions just not given you the answer you wanted.

[Khazaar]

I think after two or three days of doing your bidding (thinking you were the boss). I asked you to give me some more information, I didn´t want to feel like the uninformed minority (which most of the mafia were). I didn´t get a reply, and I think you (now for obvious reasons) planted some misinformation to check our loyality. Anyway, I got paranoid and felt sure you´d off me. It wasn´t a logical action, rather than rushing to save my butt. Also I wasn´t 100% certain that you were the Black Hand, it was a (good) guess.

Problem is, I had to delete a lot of PM´s so I don´t have it anymore. Result: sorry I whacked you, but someone would have done it eventually, as ATPG said. The chances for the Black Hand were minimal....

[PershsNhpios]

Yes..

I really enjoyed the hierarchy in this game.
Probably because I was sitting at it's pinnacle, and therefore could appreciate the mechanics of it more.

The fact that no one in the mafia was game-bound to do as their uppers told them made the night phases quite tense.

Although I never suspected Blackadder, and Khazaar was quite apologetic for the mistakes of the Godfathers.
Indeed, I trusted my Hands because ATPG assured me that they could not get any higher on the food chain!

As for a lurker victory.. well.. it is sad.

But I congratulate Beaver nonetheless! He did take a second-hand role, which may mean that he was incapable of good active enthusiasm in the thread.
I wrote to ATPG that a minimum number of posts in the day phase should be enforced.

I spent half the game picking out players who I suspected to be Sideshow Bob.
Firstly, I was certain that Psychonaut and Yoyoma were up to something.
Then there was Shlin28, and I was racking the thread for evidence!

But everyone was so uninterested that no evidence materialised.

Then Death is Yonder became the thread-detective, and I both praised him genuinely for his efforts and wondered whether he should die or not.
Beefy volunteered to kill him it seemed.

Then at last I was sure, convinced, that Sideshow Bob MUST be an active, good player.
Chaotix? Yes! Chaotix must die!
I had him lynched.
Oh dear... Split?

Split was the only active player left.


Really... Beaver... that is ridiculous!

Congratulations.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know what's funny?

Beaver wanted to drop out because he couldn't read and catch up on everything, so I asked him what his list of kills were, in order of priority, and told him to just vote every day phase and I'd already have his kill orders.

Glenn was at the very bottom of that list. Were it not for being lynched, Glenn might have won.

[Fixiwee]

Winning the first mafia game I played. I guess that's called beginners luck. :)

[Death is yonder]

Lurkers Luck

I'm honored the beef wanted to kill me personally

[Askthepizzaguy]

Glenn... can I ask you how you managed to survive until the eighth round with this as your location?

Springfield... A beautiful American town with A GREAT BIG EVIL LABORATORY HA HA HA HA!

I think only Beefy's Cow sig which says "it's always who you least suspect who is guilty" is a ballsier thing to keep associated with themselves while playing mafia games. Even I'm not that brave.

[Death is yonder]

I'll like to ask why further elaboration was not brought onto your location and name on top of member "Johnny Tightlips", it appears the host give subtle clues that he's Cecil too .

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I was Cecil, because only the host would drop clues while writing as Cecil. And everyone already knew I was Johnny Tightlips because that's how I identified myself to the mafia.

I got to roleplay as a mafioso without actually being one. It was great!

By the way, one possible solution for the town winning the final round: No lynch or abstain.

Then, Glenn and Beaver would have had to target each other because if they did not, they risked killing the townie and then being shot by the other. Navarro could have made that happen, more or less, by voting: No Lynch. Then, Glenn and Beaver could only have voted for each other, because if they both targeted Navarro, town would be lynched and then they would kill each other off in the night phase. Everyone was better off if all 3 survived the round. Using such logic, Navarro might have convinced them to abstain from the lynch, and take their chances in the night phase: anything is better than a zero chance of winning.

Then, they would still be stuck with the conundrum: do we target navarro who voted No Lynch or the other one who voted for them? Obviously that person must be the remaining scumbag... and blam... both killers target each other and Navarro wins the game.

But, that also gambles on the mafia and killer's behavior being purely self-serving, which they should have been, given the nature of the game.

Question: How would YOU have handled that final 3-way round?


Personally I might have voted myself, and invited the killers to vote for me as well, telling them: This proves I'm the townie, because if I die, you just kill each other and then it's a draw, which is the best I can hope for. Then they might have been powerless with their one useless vote, and would have been forced into a 2-killer, 3 player night phase which would be probably deadlier for the killers than the town.

That's my gambit. I can't think of another solution.

[Death is yonder]

Simply put in more layman-ish terms
Mafia and town votes SK = Mafia win
Town and SK vote Mafia = SK win (Our situation)
SK and Mafia vote town = 3 way win? (Preferred)

Really, it was common sense

Either way, how I would have handled the last round would be my usual convincing. One sentence sums it up.

"Nobody wins unless I die." or "Each faction wants to win, but it requires other factions sacrificing their win, so why don't we just all win and deny the usual host victory twist (I suppose others would know of the patented pizzaguy tradition )"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Simply put in more layman-ish terms
Mafia and town votes SK = Mafia win
Town and SK vote Mafia = SK win (Our situation)
SK and Mafia vote town = 3 way win? (Preferred)

Really, it was common sense

Either way, how I would have handled the last round would be my usual convincing. One sentence sums it up.

"Nobody wins unless I die." or "Each faction wants to win, but it requires other factions sacrificing their win, so why don't we just all win and deny the usual host victory twist (I suppose others would know of the patented pizzaguy tradition )"

I might have given you that one. But if the factions all end up dead, the Filthy Rich people and the host wins. Better might have been proving there was no solution, and asking for a 3-way draw, because there might have been a way to force the draw anyway with Navarro's voting himself.

It was a no-win situation for the town if someone got lynched, best was a draw, or no lynch and hoping the mafia kill each other... which they wouldn't want to do because then town wins... Vicious circle indeed. A negotiated "happily ever after" (no lynch, followed by no murder) might have ended the game peacefully.

Homer Simpson: BORING!!!

Oh. Never mind then. Best is the bloody route to victory. We can't all be pacifists.

[Death is yonder]

Boo, if the Capo had killed Bob then town had a chance to win. Why was our last chances so dependent on anti-town

If Sideshow hadn't killed the Beef it would likely swung in mafia's favor. If Don Maggio had killed Sideshow we had a chance of victory.

Still, if Chaotix wasn't lynched we probably had a higher chance of victory.

Nevertheless I'll congratulate the mafia on a good game and a near victory + tie for 2nd place so to speak. Boooo tied with mafia.

First SK victory, a lurker one nonetheless. I hope future SKs aren't inspired by such

I suppose I did well for my first game, thanks to pizza for his cryptic hints , most of which resulted in the following cycle... Clue received ---> Nothing inspirational ---> Woot! .

That's how I generally went about on my lynches, I posted my arguments just before I went off, and the next time I came on write ups were up. It does have its disadvantages but it seemed to have worked this time, with little defense forthcoming from the mafia to challenge my statements. This may have been due in part to the backstabbing nature of the rest of the mafia, so...

[Beaver]

Wow, I won. I never would have thought.

I understand those of you who are annoyed because of the lurker victory. When I joined I was lurking a bit because I wanted to get into the game. Unfortunatley I got a whole lot of stuff to do (I'm writing this during biology class) and didn't really have time to play, altough I did as good as I could. Most kills was fairly random, but there was some thought behind them.

I thought that Navarro was mafia, but when Glenn didn't vote himself when he was told to, I got sucpicious and changed my vote. Maybe not the best thing to go on, but I took a chance there.

I thought I'd be killed when I didn't Death is yonder my role. I couldn't, because I was never told my cover role.

I don't know why I wasn't lynched, you had reasons to. I got Olavi lynched for lurking... Oh well, a victory is a victory. Congratulations to everyone for a good game!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I bet you're happy you volunteered NOW, aintcha Bob! And it's a good thing I asked you to stay when you got busy, eh?

[Beaver]

Yes, you're right. I just wish I could have been a bit more active.

[Death is yonder]

Wow, I won. I never would have thought.

I understand those of you who are annoyed because of the lurker victory. When I joined I was lurking a bit because I wanted to get into the game. Unfortunatley I got a whole lot of stuff to do (I'm writing this during biology class) and didn't really have time to play, altough I did as good as I could. Most kills was fairly random, but there was some thought behind them.

I thought that Navarro was mafia, but when Glenn didn't vote himself when he was told to, I got sucpicious and changed my vote. Maybe not the best thing to go on, but I took a chance there.

I thought I'd be killed when I didn't Death is yonder my role. I couldn't, because I was never told my cover role.

I don't know why I wasn't lynched, you had reasons to. I got Olavi lynched for lurking... Oh well, a victory is a victory. Congratulations to everyone for a good game!

After the Olavi lynch for lurking I was trying to be rather cautious in directing lynches. I only advocated lynching via evidence method as pizza informed me that there would be implications of killers in writeups that are linkable to their cover role names or their character names. I also rather.. empathized with your RL issues, having many project related issues from start game to mid late game, whereupon it conveniently vanished, providing me with time to search for several clues. In this, I suppose I'm rather glad that I was killed that night.

Well, upon asking pizza if ghost detectives were encouraged, he told me that he would prefer if the town, who had been rather lazy thus far, would work it out themselves. As such I respected his wishes and stayed rather ambiguous and silent for the rest of the game. Eagerly anticipate the next game post exam , mafia has been a rather enjoyable few week experience thus far .

[PershsNhpios]

I think my location is simple enough, it is a mix of Simpsons and Council of Villains!

However, if this was a game like Capo III I would not dare do such a thing.
Sasaki or Andres would have a bandwagon on you in minutes for details like that.

But that is what surprised me in this game; players were not actively seeking to accuse others, and this made it easy for players such as myself to make strawman arguments, lynch townies and generally seem like your well-to-do town yokel.

D.I.Y., I really appreciate your analysis towards the endgame, and I am almost sorry that I could not have genuinely played a part in it.

This is the first time I have played as a Mafioso (A good way to start?) and this is my fourth overall game.

Beaver, I understand your position and so I can only admire your good luck. You have taught a lesson to me.

Well done Fixiwee too! Ein Oesterreicher deserves such a fine victory by the virtue of his nationality!

[Beefy187]

Lurkers Luck

I'm honored the beef wanted to kill me personally

Since you said something along the lines of "I'm soo gonna get killed tonight" ... Lovely line. I used that alot when I started playing and I found out I never got killed after saying that.. Instead I get lynched. So by killing you I told my self... "Yes some mafia do have mercy"

Also I replied saying "you are probebly going to die" hoping for a reverse psychology effect.. But...

Glenn... can I ask you how you managed to survive until the eighth round with this as your location?



I think only Beefy's Cow sig which says "it's always who you least suspect who is guilty" is a ballsier thing to keep associated with themselves while playing mafia games. Even I'm not that brave.

I got that sig during the God Father III game. Terrible irony isn't it.. Since then I've been getting alot of mafia/ SK roles..

You know what's funny?

Beaver wanted to drop out because he couldn't read and catch up on everything, so I asked him what his list of kills were, in order of priority, and told him to just vote every day phase and I'd already have his kill orders.

Glenn was at the very bottom of that list. Were it not for being lynched, Glenn might have won.

I'm glad to know that I wasn't killed because SideshowBob knew that I was the Don. Just a random kill

Meaning I did a decent job being the God Father