Emerging faction idea

[artaxerxes]

I really don't get why people want Judea included. Even if we add them as an ally of Seleucids or Ptolemies at the beginning, that makes No Sense to me. Then perhaps Persepolis and Sardis should also be allies of the Seleucids??? Judea wasn't an ally, it was a subjugated territory, just like any other province. Using the idea that "the province later revolted/tried to revolt", every province in the game except capitols should be independent factions just allied to the main faction (and that would be as useless as it would be impossible)

Also, Judea is possibly the ONE PROVINCE in the entire game THAT IS BEST represented by the Eleutheroi: the jews PRECISELY DIDN'T attempt any conquest outside of their immediate territory after establishing their independence, making the Eleutheroi just perfect... I'd say more or less 75% of all other Eleutheroi provinces in EB is more deserving of being elevated to an actual faction - i.e. they were historically more expansionist than Judea. ;)
Also, Eleutheroi can easily fulfill the historical events of the area: they were never a third player equal in power/ambition to the Seleucids or Ptolemies in their prime, and even when these 2 empires were weakened, the Jews merely survived because of this weakness in their neighbours, more than because of any massive strength themselves. So, sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I simply cannot understand this urge to include Judea.

[Jolt]

No doubt. It would be far more important to put dozens of other emerging factions (If they would be in EB) before Judea would get its place. Persis/Persia would certainly be one of those. Etruria, "India", the Yuezhi, Sardinia, Massilia, Siracusa, Native Egypt, etc.

[antisocialmunky]

I really don't get why people want Judea included. Even if we add them as an ally of Seleucids or Ptolemies at the beginning, that makes No Sense to me. Then perhaps Persepolis and Sardis should also be allies of the Seleucids??? Judea wasn't an ally, it was a subjugated territory, just like any other province. Using the idea that "the province later revolted/tried to revolt", every province in the game except capitols should be independent factions just allied to the main faction (and that would be as useless as it would be impossible)

Also, Judea is possibly the ONE PROVINCE in the entire game THAT IS BEST represented by the Eleutheroi: the jews PRECISELY DIDN'T attempt any conquest outside of their immediate territory after establishing their independence, making the Eleutheroi just perfect... I'd say more or less 75% of all other Eleutheroi provinces in EB is more deserving of being elevated to an actual faction - i.e. they were historically more expansionist than Judea. ;)
Also, Eleutheroi can easily fulfill the historical events of the area: they were never a third player equal in power/ambition to the Seleucids or Ptolemies in their prime, and even when these 2 empires were weakened, the Jews merely survived because of this weakness in their neighbours, more than because of any massive strength themselves. So, sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I simply cannot understand this urge to include Judea.

I would just give Judea:
-Terrible public order as in red face with normal taxes.
-The Second Temple has a tremendous public order bonus to counter the above somewhat.
-If the Temple exists and other religious buildings are built, script decreases public order, and spawn rebel stacks in Judea each turn.
-If Judea is rebel and the temple is still there, spawn rebel armies like EB1 does for certain areas.
-If the Temple is destroyed, spawn many rebel armies once and after that nothing. This represents the Diaspora.

Or something along those lines.

[Cute Wolf]

@antisocialmunky..
agreed... this was the best way in the main EB II campaign... just place 1 new unit (Gaesatae with proper clothes) to represent zealots too....