Spartan hoplites

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-26-2009, 12:45

In order to do that, you will require to change the unit's model. First of all, you'll have to edit the unit model with a program like 3ds Max, then switch the spear to secondary. Then, you will have to "borrow" a sword from another unit model by copying it and attaching it to the Spartan's model as a primary weapon. After that, (because I have done all the steps aforementioned) you have to create new sprites IIRC. I know how to do that, but I'm quite bored to do so

I had the intention of creating a minimod giving hoplites a sword, I may even try to finish this in the end after all.

Maion

**bobbin** · 05-26-2009, 16:19

Some models already have swords but they aren't used in the EDU for example the Epliketoi Hoplitai have a wopping great big Xiphos.

**Ludens** · 05-26-2009, 19:47

All hoplite unit had swords in the 0.8 build, they just were removed because it didn't work very well. The engine has not been made for infantry having two melee weapons.

**Celtic_Punk** · 05-26-2009, 23:09

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

In order to do that, you will require to change the unit's model. First of all, you'll have to edit the unit model with a program like 3ds Max, then switch the spear to secondary. Then, you will have to "borrow" a sword from another unit model by copying it and attaching it to the Spartan's model as a primary weapon. After that, (because I have done all the steps aforementioned) you have to create new sprites IIRC. I know how to do that, but I'm quite bored to do so

I had the intention of creating a minimod giving hoplites a sword, I may even try to finish this in the end after all.

Maion

If you do I'd be ever greatful. I don't know how to make sprites and stuff If I did I'd offer to help but, I don't know where to even start.

**Maion Maroneios** · 05-27-2009, 00:51

Just let me grab the project I left unfinished, and maybe you'll soon see some of the progress made. My plan basically is to make all hoplite units like the Massaliotai and Hypaspistai types, in case some don't understand this completely. And Ludens, I know things with the aforementioned units work pretty well. So why didn't this persist?

Maion

**Ludens** · 05-27-2009, 11:40

If I recall correctly they would either charge with their swords, or else refuse to switch to them during melee. This gave the human player an advantage since he could manipulate the weapon use, something the A.I. did not.

**Watchman** · 05-27-2009, 11:52

Ayup. If memory serves, infantry units with two weapons will charge with the second one and proceed to fight more or less with whichever, depending on how the player gave the attack order, ley lines and stellar phenomena.

Pain in the ass basically, and tends to look bad to boot. Which is why secondary swords were junked from all units save those where there's a genuinely meaningful performance difference between those and the primary spear (= longsword or falcata/kopis).

**Celtic_Punk** · 05-27-2009, 12:25

I've yet to encounter AI controlled spartan hoplites. I think it won't really matter. KH never really gets to use em. And the whole reason I'd want em is so that I can use em. in my KH campaign.

cant you just change the spear from secondary to primary or primary to secondary and then the AI will by default use that?