The EU election thread

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Every religious "nut-job" is far-right? The Christian Left wants a word with you.
Monarchists are far-right? I think the collective monarchists here at the .Org want a word with you (as well as monarchists in European countries who tend to support a fairly wide variety of parties).

Yes, nutjobs are far-right. I'm well aware there's a wide variety of religious sensibilities. They are averagely conservative christians, progressive or liberal christians, and they are nutjobs.
Anti-immigration, anti-abortion, anti-semite, anti-republic people claiming that France is being destroyed by a socialist-satanic-freemason plot are nutjobs, whether you like it or not.
As for your conglomerate of Orgah monarchists, I don't really care about what they think or not, since I'm fairly sure none of them comes from France. I have no problem with british monarchists, spanish monarchists or any of those. I'm specifically talking about France.

Unnecessary personal attack, especially considering you have no idea what I know or don't know about France...

Right. Thing is, if you had a clue about french political history, you would know that monarchists have traditionally been quite-conservative, on the edge of fascism, negationism and revisionism more often than not. If you have time, read Maurras and his Action Française, learn about Les Camelots du Roi or la Cagoule, or more recently, Jean Sevilla or Pierre Chaunu's writings (Terrorisme Intellectuel, Le Livre Noir de la Révolution Française, and so on).
Note that all french monarchists aren't nazis wannabes trying to overthrow the republic. Some fought side by side with communists, socialists and gaullists after 1941, and afterward accepted to work with republicans to rebuild France. Yet, monarchism as a whole is in France (I'm not saying monarchism as a whole is far-right), highly tainted by fascism and authoritarianism.
If you refuse to admit it, then I'm sorry, but I'll repeat that you have no clue about french political history. Take it as a personal attack if you want, I don't know what I could answer really.

You don't go to Church. Who cares if the mass is in Latin or not? Wanting a Latin mass doesn't make you a far-right extremist (unless you're looking at it from a far-left perspective). Monarchism, far-right? Give me a break.

I don't know ? Maybe all these average catholic believers who would like their church to appear as 'normal' and {somewhat} open-minded, as opposed to a gathering of embittered and angry hard-hat intolerant lunatics and paedophiles.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Movement for France and the Front National are not the same thing.

I acknowledged it. The MfF is based around christian values more than the FN is. Its hatred of immigrants is also displayed in a much more subtle way (MfF doesn't blame migrants themselves, but Islam or Judaism), while is general disdain for the republican system more openly expressed.

To close this topic, monarchism is in France as stupid as it would be in the US. Our whole modern history is based on the bitter fight between the Republic and its opponents. To bring it down, the former did not hesitate to go as far-right as one could, long before Hitler, Mussolini and co came to power.

Cohn-Bendit and Bayrou exchanging insults. Go Bayrou! You tell that paedophile!

Honestly, this was ridiculous. Even though DCB's book is more than disturbing, this has no place in a political debate. He said he regretted and was ashamed by what he wrote, and all the children he worked with back then denied the whole paedophilia story.
If there are some new clues about this, then charge him in a court. Accusing him during a political debate just made Bayrou look stupid (I voted for the Modem though).

I rather like Sarkozy. For all his faults and insufferable character, I can't help agreeing with him often. And he was an excellent EU chairman last year.

I won't comment much on this as I think Sarkozy is nothing but a mix of Napoleon (the little) and Adolphe Thiers.

Overall, the election seemed to confirm a general victory of the traditional right, with a small yet noticeable rise of the far right in some countries. Socialists took a beating, while the Greens did fairly good in most of the West (can't talk much about the new members, I only saw hungarian and romanian results, though I doubt the green scored well there).