The History Channel: From Hitler to Freemasons

[Beskar]

The whole conspiracy angle is this. There is a big cabal involving many societies such as freemasonry in others which would focus its power on creating a New World, usually dictated under totalaritarian principles and even then, these forces fight amongst themselves in trying to produce this aim. Basically, it is like the "Hidden War" as on the surface, the ignorance of many is that it simply does not exist while to others, it is the whole of their existence, on many levels.

These forces apparently work in many ways with many people being faces of this and that governments are puppets of this whole agenda as these are the people behind the strings, pulling things. With their aims of making money, social engineering and others in hopes of producing the effects they want.

With Skulls and Bones for example, in the previous election with Bush and Kerry, they were both Skull and Bones members. This is a secret yale society which they all have top jobs in private and public sectors and areas of control, in a sense, it is a group of croynism where they all play favourites so people in their inner circle get the jobs. As you can guess, this isn't the only society out there too, there are others like the Freemasons, etc.

That is all of it, in a pure nutshell.

[Hooahguy]

i dont even own a tv.... (the shows i want to watch, like family guy, are on Hulu)
i have my grandfather record shows on history channel (like Patton 360) and military channel (like best ranger competition) and ship them down to me, which he loves doing because it gives him an excuse to watch tv as well.

[Meneldil]

The whole conspiracy angle is this. There is a big cabal involving many societies such as freemasonry in others which would focus its power on creating a New World, usually dictated under totalaritarian principles and even then, these forces fight amongst themselves in trying to produce this aim. Basically, it is like the "Hidden War" as on the surface, the ignorance of many is that it simply does not exist while to others, it is the whole of their existence, on many levels.

What the hell? Are you being serious?

I won't comment on the Illuminati, as they just don't exist anymore, and on the Bones and Skulls, as those exist (though nothing point to a 'zomg conspiracy') but if you think freemasonery is a force at work to create a New World Order (tm), then I want what you're smoking.

[Beskar]

That is what the conspiracy is. In senses, it is completely believable in some areas. Think about it this way, says you are a bank manager and out of the people who applied, your brother was one of them. Would you show favour to your brother and employ him? Typically, even though we might not admit it, the general answer is yes.

Now widen this, to family and friends. Would you do the same? Typical answer is yes.

What about your community, let's say you are a strong church goer and some one you knew there which you got along well with, you generally show favouritism and they get that job.

With secret societies such as Freemasons, Skull and Bones, etc, this is what happens, they are members of these communities and these people look after eachother. You rub some one elses back, they rub yours. This way, let's say members got into big serious positions, they get other members in other ones and soon enough, a society could gain a foothold in that area and could be argued as such, this happens with politicians. If we were a true meritocracy, what are the chances of a grandfather, father and son getting into positions of power like they did, even with the latter two being US presidents? Or the case of even two seemingly random people (Bush and Kerry), even in different parties end up belonging to the same secret society. The so-called Old Boys clique which is present in Westiminister in British Politics (The Eden boys).

It is these processes how things like this happen, if you say it small time, such as a butcher showing favour to a friends son, you wouldn't bat an eyelid, but what about a US president appointing some one as head of the federal reserve (or a powerful position similar to that).

The whole idea is that a cabal, full of these different groups are seeking World Domination, in a sense, a league of evil villains and instead of superman versus them one by one, unable to sololy do it themselves, the super villains work together and therefore defeat superman and actually win. It is this self-interest which sprout all sorts of secret societies, meetings and other things, such as Bohemian Grove and Bildenburg.

The whole idea of secret meetings bring panic and disturb people. Imagine world leaders in various areas all having a party together, rubbing eachother backs, doing seedy deals, wanting to further agendas which to men and women on the street are strict no's. lack of transparency and accountability.

It is this primal fear which gives wake to the terrible idea of the grand conspiracy, the conspiracy of the New World Order of total domination over the planet. Secret Organistations dating through hundreds of years, considerably changing our very history through their political manoeuvring. From the fall of governments, to the rise of new ones, the self-interest, creating divides, trying to conquer us all.

The question really is - Are these groups really working together as a cabal for the grand conspiracy or not? The question of existence is a non-issue, they really do exist, it is whether or not, as a matter of faith, they are the embodiment of our worse fears.

[Meneldil]

People helping eachothers because they belong to a same group doesn't mean they're part of a conspiracy.
Otherwise we could claim there's a worldwide chinese, mexican or algerian conspiracy because chineses, mexicans or algerians tend to help eachother when they live in a foreign country.

The only conspiracies in which freemasonry took part lately here in France (where Freemasonery had always been a strong force) were a few financial or political scandals. Some dude helped a 'brother' to get a public job. Some other dude stole a few thousands €. That's about it.

Now I get your point. People are generally afraid of secret/secretive organizations, such as freemasonry. They also for some reason crave for conspiracy theories (as described in Eco's Foucault's Pendulum). Yet, these fears lack any real basis and are completely irrational.

To use for a 'personal experience' argument, I know my grand father was member of the back then most prestigious lodge, and was quite high-ranked (can't remember the exact name of it, Something something of Sion), as well as a member of the (back then) extremely powerful radical party. I pretty much doubt he was part of a judeo bolchevick satanic plot to take over the world and destroy religion. And it does not look like he appointed his children to prestigious offices either ;).

[Sarmatian]

The question really is - Are these groups really working together as a cabal for the grand conspiracy or not? The question of existence is a non-issue, they really do exist, it is whether or not, as a matter of faith, they are the embodiment of our worse fears.

If those groups do exist and have been trying to take over the world for the last two thousand years, they aren't doing a really good job since political power has been gradually shifting all that time from a small elite to the general population.

One of my friends used to be a member of Freemasons in New Zealand. He was pretty junior, but from what he told me, it's really nothing more than a club for some influential people to meet other influential people so that they could do business together. Taking over the world wasn't on the agenda, at least when he was a member....

On the issue, I find History Channel rather pathetic. They generally distort events to make them more interesting in order get better ratings. Sometimes there's something good, but that's rare...