Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

Sigurd has a history recently of pulling off mafioso wins by lurking and proclaiming RL inactivity. In any case, he's posted three times in this thread since my first question and he's never acknowledged it. In this post, he even took the time to check to see who had missed several rounds of voting, indicating he was looking at the thread in more than just superficial depth. He had to go back and reread to do that, yet he did not respond.

You'll have to excuse me, but I wasn't in that game, nor does that post prove he was using inactivity to win. Its not the most honourable, but its a legitimate strategy. If hes been claiming RL and uses that to win, well, thats frowned upon by pretty much everyone. It was an unspoken rule.

However, my sign up post agrees with me, I fear you more than Sigurd.

[White_eyes:D]

I think I will vote: TinCow
The answers to your questions are so obvious that I am thinking you are intentionally acting dumb. This is much the same as you did in Netherworld which worked then because you were indeed a new player.

Does anyone here, know how TinCow is when he is Mafia? (I remember the sting of "Chicago soiree, mega lurker victory" and I would be thinking TinCow does too....)

You know the saying "Revenge is a dish, best served cold"

The fact that you responded only when in the lead for votes has me thinking that you are mafia....but I could be wrong....it all could be a masterminded plot by the evil Mafioso TinCow.

I am willing to take a chance

[DJGingivitis]

Also if you are trying to find a lurker, what about Lord Winter. He was my choice of lurker early in the game. So if we are going for Tin Cow I am game, if we are going for a lurker I nominate Lord Winter.

[Reenk Roink]

I think I will vote: TinCow
The answers to your questions are so obvious that I am thinking you are intentionally acting dumb. This is much the same as you did in Netherworld which worked then because you were indeed a new player.
I am however baffled that the Mafia aren't seeing these obvious things. If I was indeed a mafioso, someone would have died a long time ago.

Maybe DJG received some esoteric knowledge that he will not divulge in public, even though we all know that the trade is worth it.

Siggy Fafmeister, really the only reason I am suspicious of you is the fact that saved Beskar and then later wouldn't vote for him although you implied you thought he could be guilty. It really seemed that your statement of "we can lynch Beskar later, not now" made you think there was at least some suspicion on him, but you instead went after split who I really think you didn't consider guilty.

Now then, can you ease the feeling in my gut that you are up to no good? That you were just planning on keeping Beskar around for a later lynch when he would be more useful?

The second point is interesting though... and given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten I will:

Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: TinCow

FOS: Sigurd (until I am satisfied with your response, if I am at all)

I also ask YLC to unvote and vote TinCow if he could, sorry for the hassle.

DJGingivtis- 2 (Tratorix, Chaotix)
Chaotix-1 (gibsong91921)
Tin Cow-4 (DJGingivtis, Sigurd, pevergreen Reenk Roink)
Ichigo-1 (ATPG)
Sigurd-3 (YLC, Tin Cow, AVSM)
White_Eyes :D-2 (Jolt, Beskar)
Jolt-1 (White_Eyes :D)
Atpg-1 (Khaazar)

[TinCow]

and given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten

Very well then. Under the circumstances, it seems I will best aid the town by dying. After I am dead, I urge Reenk to publicly examine whatever "knowledge" he has gained. Either he is being manipulated or he is doing it himself. Keep this in mind for future rounds.

[Beskar]

I could publicly defend you TinCow, but I think that would just publicly condemn you even more.

Though on a serious note, can you provide any information on this "behind the scenes knowledge" because I am feeling left out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I could publicly defend you TinCow, but I think that would just publicly condemn you even more.

Acting the victim even though you faced zero pressure this last round. Paranoid? Yes. GUILTY.

Lynch: Beskar

[Beskar]

ROFL, you know it was obvious humour, naughty Handkerchief.

On another note, do you know that using handkerchiefs are discouraged? They want everyone to use tissues so you can sneeze/cough into them, then drop them straight into a bin.

[TinCow]

Though on a serious note, can you provide any information on this "behind the scenes knowledge" because I am feeling left out.

Nope. I have not exchanged a single PM with anyone about this game. I know nothing beyond what is in the thread.

[Reenk Roink]

Very well then. Under the circumstances, it seems I will best aid the town by dying. After I am dead, I urge Reenk to publicly examine whatever "knowledge" he has gained. Either he is being manipulated or he is doing it himself. Keep this in mind for future rounds.

I'll give you some further fuel against me. In earlier games, I generally have a tendency to be quite a jerk and immediately post any PM I get as a townie. I don't like things done discreetly.

I did this in Scourge of Ephesus, a recent game where you and I both played together so you don't have to just take my word for it. I was an "Innocent townie" in that game.

In this game I have received several PM's from a couple of people. I haven't revealed a single one nor the contents of one. In fact, I only revealed that I was receiving such communication now.

Does it count as a behavior change?

Anyway

Unvote: TinCow

I wanna see this tied for now. YLC please don't switch to TinCow just this moment. Sorry again for changing everything all the time.

[A Very Super Market]

I'll offer more money than Reenk.

And a goat.

A GOAT.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like the goat....

[White_eyes:D]

I wanna see this tied for now. YLC please don't switch to TinCow just this moment. Sorry again for changing everything all the time.

You always need to make you vote count, don't you?
I would watch out for Jolt....He came in at the last minute to save Beskar....I find it likely he well do this again

Edit:Because he is like you and loves to make his vote count...

[Sigurd]

Very well then. Under the circumstances, it seems I will best aid the town by dying. After I am dead, I urge Reenk to publicly examine whatever "knowledge" he has gained. Either he is being manipulated or he is doing it himself. Keep this in mind for future rounds.

This is the kind of posting that would normally make me unvote. Playing the victim of some conspiracy will normally stir the empathy center.

However, I am now unsure as DJG seems to back off and offer another candidate for this lynch.

Now then, can you ease the feeling in my gut that you are up to no good? That you were just planning on keeping Beskar around for a later lynch when he would be more useful?

Maybe you got the same info I did?

[DJGingivitis]

Sigurd I was not offering another target. There was a hint of sarcasm. Sorry. I forgot my [/sarcasm]

[Sigurd]

Sigurd I was not offering another target. There was a hint of sarcasm. Sorry. I forgot my [/sarcasm]

So, you remain steadfast in your choice that TinCow is our candidate?

Out of curiosity, can I ask who?

Why? dear Watson... If I told you, I would give it away. It might be that the Mafia is not as observant as we hope.
Mafiosi are in the informed minority and by carefully reading the thread will notice any correlation between players. As townies we can notice the same correlation, but will not know the alignment of these players. We don't know if they are pro or anti town.

[pevergreen]

Theres no correlation between me and Reenk. None at all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh please. You two are in bed with each other, the whole world can see it. I'm going to start calling you pevergreenk.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, round's over. Gimme a bit to get the tally in order and writeup in place.

[seireikhaan]

We Have a Tie. Same procedure as last time. You may still vote for anyone you wish, but the instant any vote leading tie is broken, the one with the most votes will be lynched.

Sigurd 3: (TinCow, A Very Super Market, YLC)
TinCow 3: (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd)
White_eyes 2: (Jolt, Beskar)
DJGingivitis 2: (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt 1: (White_eyes)
Ichigo: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: (Khazaar)

[DJGingivitis]

You have sigurd voting for both tincow and himself.

[seireikhaan]

You have sigurd voting for both tincow and himself.

Indeed, accidentally punched his name in when tallying A Very Super Market's vote. Tie stands.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: White_Eyes

Now you have a third option. Take your pick!

[seireikhaan]

Sigurd: 3 (TinCow, A Very Super Market, YLC)
TinCow: 3 (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd)
White_eyes: 3 (Jolt, Beskar, Askthepizzaguy)
DJGingivitis: 2 (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt: 1 (White_eyes)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khazaar)

New tally.

[TinCow]

The case against W_E is about the worst we've had yet in this game. As much as I would like to save my own butt, I won't do it in that manner. Just pick between Sigurd and I and get it over with.

[ULC]

It appears my customer wishes that my vote be placed upon TC, and, erring on the side of caution, shall..

Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: TinCow

[TinCow]

So be it. I urge that pressure be put on Reenk until this:

given some behind the scenes knowledge I have gotten

is revealed. As I was not a mafioso, this cannot possibly be detective information. Thus, it is likely little more than rumor and speculation. There is no harm in bringing this out into the public eye so that we can see what was said and who said it.

[seireikhaan]

Perhaps it was a result of the previous night, but this council seemed more disjointed and hectic than any previous. Accusations were thrown around at seemingly half of the camp during the fray, which made my record keeping a bit more problematic than usual. Once more, various members left the council for a while, and some just sat solemnly, with brooding looks. When the day was to end, there were a multitude of camp members who had garnered suspicion. Three members led with a seemingly equal level of suspicion leveled at them. In the end, a clear leader was not established until a final shift tipped the scales towards a man named TinCow. When I told Shinzei of this and he announced it to the tribesemen, TinCow stepped forward of his own volition. He knelt in front of Shinzei, with no restrictions placed upon him, his head bowed forwards. Shinzei gave a slight leer to the rest of the camp that they had decided upon this halfways suicidal man as the most likely to be a spy. However, he was bound by the rule of council. Thus, he unsheathed his sword, and swung down at the base of the man's neck. The sword sliced true, directly cleaving the man's neck and head from the body. I turned away from the gruesome sight, but I knew deep down it was best the kill had been so quick. With TinCow's death, Shinzei dismissed the council once more, myself included. I felt queasy returning to the tent this night. Perhaps it was the gods whispering in my ear, but I felt sure that we were not yet rid of the killers yet.....

--The Record of Zhang Qian

Tally
TinCow: 4 (DJGingivitis, pevergreen, Sigurd, YLC)
White_eyes: 3 (Jolt, Beskar, Askthepizzaguy)
Sigurd: 2 (TinCow, A Very Super Market)
DJGingivitis: 2 (Chaotix, Tratorix)
Jolt: 1 (White_eyes)
Chaotix: 1 (gibsons)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khazaar)

Not voting: 5 (Caius, Lord Winter, Death is Yonder, Ichigo, Reenk Roink)


Alive: 18

Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC

Dead: 3

Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)

Lynched: 4

FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)

WoK'd: 0


NIGHT HAS BEGUN! ORDERS PLEASE!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have to wonder... why must there be a "case" on someone to lynch them? At the very least, you know that person being lynched isn't you... presumably that's a good thing. Also, I've noted that the whole idea of a "case" gets thrown out the door every other lynch or so, so who are we fooling?

Apologies for being critical, but...

[atheotes]

this game has had a lot discussion without any pro-town input or write-up clues...