Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[TinCow]

It is quite interesting you failed to protect johnhughthom. Did you have something else to do during the night?

Yes, I killed your buddy Leet.

[Joooray]

5. Iskander3.1 was attacked by what appears to be a solitary vigilante, but survived due to luck. (A note about these "lucky" survivors - if Capo II is to be any guide, their luck only holds for the first attack against them. Subsequent attacks are likely to result in their death, although they still retain a small chance (1/36) of surviving due to luck.)

To me this one is not that obviously a luck save. I don't know much about the mechanics of Capo, but couldn't the person that gave Iksander that bible in the first place be someone saving him?

Anyway, Kage seems like a good choice for now. So,
Vote : Kage.

[Sigurd]

The reason i brought up Prole is the same i have been going after pizza. Both are not pro town, but pro themselves forces. They are ready to kill every last townie in order to find commies. So by following them blindly you only will get yourselves murdered or lynched until the commies are no more. Watch carefully when my autopsy records will arrive if its not too late already then.

I am interested how you came to the knowledge of this:

Well as i am about to die.I might just as well reveal that Prole is a CIA detective and is cooperating with both mafia and town, giving mafia members to town and FBI agents in exchange for commies to the Mafia.

That is a bit much information to have from an alleged unaffiliated wise guy.

[Kagemusha]

Yes, I killed your buddy Leet.

Well i guess now you should be guilty from here on if investigated? Lets hope it does not turn criminal at some point.

[Beskar]

CA was a evil communist planning the overthrowing of the American Fatlington. Pretty scummy to me.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

I am interested how you came to the knowledge of this:

That is a bit much information to have from an alleged unaffiliated wise guy.

Well you have alleged wiseguy running the town claiming investigation results each day and lying about the people he have either got lynched or killed during nights. So we all have our sources. People talk, thats the primary source of information.

[Beskar]

Well, he wouldn't be running the town if the Mafia didn't vote him in and any townies which voted for him, having a screw loose.

[Sigurd]

Well you have alleged wiseguy running the town claiming investigation results each day and lying about the people he have either got lynched or killed during nights. So we all have our sources. People talk, thats the primary source of information.

So... you are saying you are something more than a wiseguy?

[Kagemusha]

Well, he wouldn't be running the town if the Mafia didn't vote him in and any townies which voted for him, having a screw loose.

Well i really meant the one running the town behind the curtains.

But as i am sure that i will be lycnhed i might as well reveal the whole deal. I am a wiseguy without kills and my autopsy will prove that. I was contacted by discovery1 as he wanted me to become part of his family. I agreed and was let in. Not at any point did i join an attack of that family, which consisted of him, Atheotes and Leet Eriksson. A luca, Made and a Don. The family was the "rose" family which has now suddenly stopped killing after disco and Leet are dead.
I claimed to them that i was being part of protection groups with Tincow wich in matter of fact is what was doing each night. I explained that i would probably find information that would be useful, While Disco and Leet killed together during nights.
What struck me as weird was that disco during a chat session told me that he had revealed himself and Atheotes to Proletariat in the chat while he was perfectly aware of that she was a detective. It seems from Disco, Prole also got my name and Leet Erikksons. Which then has been revealed by Askthepizzaguy, so actually those names are not even results of investigations.

But thats not the end of the story. If you look at "rose" familys hit targets you can see that they killed Myrddraal who was a detective. If you have read the above. I think that making a conclusion about the source of information leading to that kill is quite obvious.

So i would take a pinch os salt before trusting Prole and askthepizzaguy too heavily as they might not quite bee what they are claiming to be as they are playing their own game thats objects are not clearly either pro town or pro mafia, but rather their own. Rallying town behind such people could be bit bad concerning the end result of this game.

[Proletariat]

So i would take a pinch os salt before trusting Prole and askthepizzaguy too heavily as they might not quite bee what they are claiming to be as they are playing their own game thats objects are not clearly either pro town or pro mafia, but rather their own.

Clearly not protown?

[Kagemusha]

Clearly not protown?

It seems someone started paying attention.

[Proletariat]

You aren't making sense, Kage. What have I done 'clearly not protown'? I helped get your family wiped out.

And Disco never revealed you or Fizzil. I knew you were scum because you talked to me the first night, you said you were a wiseguy claiming you hadn't decided which way to play. Then when disco found out I was FBI, you never talked to me again. Pretty telling. Then I jokingly asked Leet in the chat why you guys wouldn't let me in your mafia. He said I smelled like pork. How did he know I was FBI (not CIA, mind you)? Obvious, disco had told your whole family about me. That's when I realized the town was taking a big loss too early if you guys took me out so soon.

My partner johnhughthom got whacked last night. Can anyone explain who was supposed to protect him and what happened?

[Proletariat]

Select: prole

[Kagemusha]

You aren't making sense, Kage. What have I done 'clearly not protown'? I helped get your family wiped out.

And Disco never revealed you or Fizzil. I knew you were scum because you talked to me the first night, you said you were a wiseguy claiming you hadn't decided which way to play. Then when disco found out I was FBI, you never talked to me again. Pretty telling. Then I jokingly asked Leet in the chat why you guys wouldn't let me in your mafia. He said I smelled like pork. How did he know I was FBI (not CIA, mind you)? Obvious, disco had told your whole family about me. That's when I realized the town was taking a big loss too early if you guys took me out so soon.

My partner johnhughthom got whacked last night. Can anyone explain who was supposed to protect him and what happened?

About JohnHuthington.I can tell you that Tincow was supposed to protect him, probably with Joe Monks i wasnt trusted because your reveal that does not even have investigation result to back it up. Also could you please explain how the rose family so easily targeted Myrddraal? In whole i think your explanation is very weak. Also maybe you would like to explain why you have been talking with a mafia luca if you are so pro town?

[Centurion1]

What about this kunai character. What is his angle? Does he intend to scare people off their chosen path?

[Andres]

Kage, maybe Prole has her own objective, but it seems like she at least helped the town to get an entire mafia family.

Surely, you understand that town is willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. As for you, you're probably scum trying to mess with our minds. I know from experience that doing just that is great fun, so: have fun!

But excuse me if I'm going to ignore you, at least until we get your autopsy.

[Kagemusha]

Kage, maybe Prole has her own objective, but it seems like she at least helped the town to get an entire mafia family.

Surely, you understand that town is willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. As for you, you're probably scum trying to mess with our minds. I know from experience that doing just that is great fun, so: have fun!

But excuse me if I'm going to ignore you, at least until we get your autopsy.

Never expected anything else Andres, but remember to check back here when my autopsy will come out.

[TinCow]

Never expected anything else Andres, but remember to check back here when my autopsy will come out.

I'm confused, what exactly are you trying to convince us of? You've confessed to being a wiseguy who joined a mafia family. If what you say is true, that's enough of a reason to lynch you right there.

[Centurion1]

You've confessed to being a wiseguy who joined a mafia family.

Where is that? It would totally clarify my vote though. (which is already pretty clear)

[Kagemusha]

I'm confused, what exactly are you trying to convince us of? You've confessed to being a wiseguy who joined a mafia family. If what you say is true, that's enough of a reason to lynch you right there.

I joined a family but did nothing for them. You do realise? In matter of fact i was protecting people in which you for example failed last night. I did nothing to help mafia, nor did i kill anyone. I just got inside their organization when Prole started talking and for example you started planning on killing me without even asking me any questions. You just decided to assume things. That is not my problem.

[TinCow]

I joined a family but did nothing for them. You do realise? In matter of fact i was protecting people in which you for example failed last night. I did nothing to help mafia, nor did i kill anyone. I just got inside their organization when Prole started talking and for example you started planning on killing me without even asking me any questions. You just decided to assume things. That is not my problem.

So, what... we should let you live so that you can join another family? If you recall, that's what we did with scottishranger in Capo 2. Surely I don't need to point out why that was a bad idea.

[ULC]

I'm confused, what exactly are you trying to convince us of? You've confessed to being a wiseguy who joined a mafia family. If what you say is true, that's enough of a reason to lynch you right there.

We are lynching him based on guilt by association, not guilt by deed.

Vote: Kagemusha

Sorry Kage, but guilt by association is just as good in a Capo game.

[Kagemusha]

So, what... we should let you live so that you can join another family? If you recall, that's what we did with scottishranger in Capo 2. Surely I don't need to point out why that was a bad idea.

Like i said to Andres already i dont expect for you to do so. This is just something for you to think. Also maybe you should consider how helpful i was to mafia when it has been quite long a go i learned about johnhuthington and never did rose mafia attack you or Joe or him, while town was getting information through him.

My undoing was that unlike some others i did not follow blindly others. Not that i could do anything anymore even if i lived, nor would even want when i have witnessed how those who worked with me have acted upon Proles reveal. You are not worth working with.

All i will say that eventually you will realise that i have spoken truth, hopefully it wont be too late for you when you realise that.

[Centurion1]

The above exchange convinced me

Vote: Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

We are lynching him based on guilt by association, not guilt by deed.

Vote: Kagemusha

Sorry Kage, but guilt by association is just as good in a Capo game.

Then you should lynch Proletariat also as she has admitted being in contact with mafia luca while both knew others role.

[ULC]

Then you should lynch Proletariat also as she has admitted being in contact with mafia luca while both knew others role.

Don't twist my words Kage - you worked with them knowingly and have admitted doing so, removing a cent of a doubt that your actions could have had any innocent motives behind them. I cannot, nor can any but Prole, say the same for her, and knowing who she is working with, she will be doubled checked, triple checked, thoroughly.

[Kagemusha]

Don't twist my words Kage - you worked with them knowingly and have admitted doing so, removing a cent of a doubt that your actions could have had any innocent motives behind them. I cannot, nor can any but Prole, say the same for her, and knowing who she is working with, she will be doubled checked, triple checked, thoroughly.

And what you have to proof that? I never shared information with them that was useful, nor did i kill for them. Proletariat gave them a detective. The only problem you have with that is that you cant check her for that kind of actions. Im glad that she admitted it herself. Bit of mistake from her.

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: Kagemusha

I don't think I need to explain why.

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Kagemusha

Kinds sorry to see this one's still alive...

My interpretation of the night's results:

1. Psychonaut and johnhughthom were both killed by the same mafia family - I'll call them the Jabberwocky mafia. These are their first kills; they must've spent the first few rounds recruiting (with some success, I might add, if they're able to carry out two kills in one night).

2. Lord Winter was attacked by the kunai guy. As has been noted, in every similar attack only one attacker is present and the victim survives. It does seem at this point that the objective may not be the victim's death; but then what could the real objective be?

3. Proletariat was attacked twice - once by a vigilante group which fell short because only three out of four members showed up, and once by the mafia. The mafia hit failed because Proletariat was guarded by a single protector.

4. Craterus was probably killed by a serial killer, as only one attacker is mentioned. Also, the manner of the death is significant - very gruesome with none of the usual mafia "calling cards." I will note that the killer spelled out the number 5, and in a possible coincidence, this was night 5. I'm worried we may have a killer whose kills begin after a set period of time.

5. Iskander3.1 was attacked by what appears to be a solitary vigilante, but survived due to luck. (A note about these "lucky" survivors - if Capo II is to be any guide, their luck only holds for the first attack against them. Subsequent attacks are likely to result in their death, although they still retain a small chance (1/36) of surviving due to luck.)

6. Leet Erickson was taken out by a vigilante squad. I left this one for last because I was a member of that squad. Yes, I helped kill Leet on suspicion of being a mafia Made gangster.

Reenk, your suggestion to wait for the autopsy results on discovery1 and atheotes was not realistic. This is Capo, and there are a lot of villains out there. When you have a mafia family on the ropes, you finish them; you don't wait for them to regroup and recover or cause more damage. I had confirmation of Leet's guilt from a source that appears to be pretty reliable, and this was enough for me to role the dice. I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think I am.

Anyway, it looks like the lynching of GH was indeed a success. The loss of a detective in CountArach is regrettable, but the writeup indicates there was something unusual about him and that we'll know more on day 7.

Good speculative post. All I have to say is two things. The target for the vig hit should definitely have been Kage rather than Leet. Just that I had a source on Leet being cleared so Kage was the more pressing suspect. Also, I have to commend you on on flushing out GH, it makes up for killing CA.

Now then on CA, this was Atpg's push at a lynch if I remember right. That being said, it seemed like an analysis of his posts and role play rather than anything else. I believe CA was forced to roleplay a character while also being a detective (maybe a red text thing).

Also, I have a good amount of reasonable suspicion on who attacked me on Night 4. However, it will not be revealed until next round after I continue to talk with some people because we shouldn't be distracted.

[TinCow]

Good speculative post. All I have to say is two things. The target for the vig hit should definitely have been Kage rather than Leet. Just that I had a source on Leet being cleared so Kage was the more pressing suspect.

We were pretty sure Kage was still a wiseguy, while we were unsure of Leet's role. Based on that, we concluded that Leet was the more important target, as he was possibly the missing Made from that family (which Kage has recently stated was in fact the case). ATPG was trying to get a group together to kill Kage, but was unable.

One thing that does give me pause is why there appears to have been a vigilante hit on Prole. Does anyone know who organized that thing and who participated? Those people need to be heavily scrutinized; there was a lot of work to be done last night, and whoever decided a vig kill of Prole was a priority has some serious questions to answer.

[edit] On re-read, Kage appears to have said that atheotes was actually the Made and Leet was the Don. This would explain an innocent investigation result on Leet:

Not at any point did i join an attack of that family, which consisted of him, Atheotes and Leet Eriksson. A luca, Made and a Don. The family was the "rose" family which has now suddenly stopped killing after disco and Leet are dead.